banojo wrote:
Korir: 28
Is this for real?
Is Korir 28 years old?
banojo wrote:
Korir: 28
Is this for real?
Is Korir 28 years old?
we're talking about running... wrote:
Nice times for girls wrote:McD is one of the best U.S. runners in awhile---he isn't in the right place. That said, if he wants the pseudo-religious environment, then he is probably missing a necessary psychological component for success.
I am not religion bashing here---I believe that spirituality, God, and religion can be a very healthy and necessary part of one's life. Liberty is something entirely different. Disagree---do a little research. Liberty makes Oral Roberts look like the essence of reason.
It appears your biases have thrown you into making some aggressive, seemingly-popular anti-religious comments to the easy approval of the apathetic American religious culture. Thus, when persons of intelligence have replied back with comments, you've stepped down from your unwarranted mudslinging and tried to surmount some kind of "Christianity (which is now a cult??) + running= dismal failure (off of one performance...)." You are both the epitome of disillusioned post-modern Americans who argue for their liberal freedoms, but reject the values and choices of another, and of the "bandwagon-idiot" letsrun posters who ever-so-quickly joins discussion to rail one of America's best young talents because of a "poor race." Honestly, I don't care if Josh sandbagged this race Badger style or just didn't have the gas to beat some equally talented runner. What I'd love to see hear is balanced, focused discussions without the anti-religious crap thrown in. Maybe you have inside experience with a Christian university, but I'm guessing not. To enlighten you, Liberty and a majority of larger Christian universities are far from the picture you've painted. The religious aspect requires certain religion-based classes to be taken and weekly/quarterly activities to be attended. Religion is not at all required, let alone shoved down a student's throat. It doesn't have an affect on Josh's training or overall lifestyle any more than numerous other lifestyle choices undertaken by American's today. Rather I would argue that his choices to commit to something outside of academia or leisure positively influences him to be committed, thoughtful, and responsible with his life and his training. Maybe Liberty is more outspoken and challenging to the culture than Oral Roberts is, but it assuredly does not stand as a detriment, in any way, to running success for its student athletes; Josh McDougal in the least.
Thank you for the great post. That's all I have to say.
liberty sucks wrote:
ok, I will like to support that liberty is terrible for running, science, politics and everything else that involves thinking clearly.
I spent a week there this summer for virginia Boy's state, and whoever on this thread said the food there is good must thinks that olive garden is the best restaurant in the country. That food gave me the worst case of the shits i have ever had. Anyone that thinks liberty is good for anything other then being a really ugly campus is probably just as dumb and racist as the idiot that founded Liberty. Granted, they do have a hockey rink and a really nice indoor track, but that is it.
The LIBERTY FLAMES? come on.
It doesn't matter what Liberty's food tastes like because Josh doesn't even live on campus.
nice times for girls wrote:
I wholly support McD's right to do whatever he wants. My point is that his choice comes with a cost to his running. Truthfully, we can't know the effects of the Liberty environment on McD's running---I am saying that I think it is bad.
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The previous poster seems to disagree mostly that Liberty is extreme. I beg to differ, but remove religion from the conversation and I still say that it is the wrong place for somebody of McD's rank.
Incidentally, I hope he gets second place at NCAAs to Chris Solinsky.
Seriously, thank you for a great and honest response to my heavy-handed backlash. I’ve gotten fed up with the McDougal/Liberty/religion debates, and I probably spoke more condescendingly than needed. That said, I’m glad to more-clearly understand your view, and can definitely understand where you’re coming from. I, too, was surprised to see Josh go to a more obscure D-1 college like Liberty, but as a Christian who is also passionate about running, I can align and respect his decision after making a similar of my own. Yes, Liberty might not be the ideal place for developing elite talent (because of debatable reasons), but I would like to see Josh’s personal beliefs and choices separated from what is important in this discussion; his running. With that, I’d love to see him and Chris, Josh R, Nef, and others mix it up at the top, representing American-developed talent that has proved their worth beyond HS stardom, on the NCAA nationals stage.
breath of fresh air wrote:
Thank you for the great post. That's all I have to say.
You’re welcome!
sorry, post above was from "we're talking about running..."
Classic letsrun mistake; throwing around stuff under various usernames and then posting with the wrong one. My bad.
Guys, let's put an end to this fighting. Liberty obviously has something going for them (God's approval?) if they can keep Josh running at such a high level for such a long time. Hell, he isn't even the best runner from his school yet, that title belongs to Heater Sagan, indoor, and outdoor (I believe) mile/1500 champ. I think it's just his ability to think clearly during races that has made winning the big one so hard. He could be at Arkansas or Oregon or Stanford right now and still not have won a big one because it's his mental side.
Now, to really end the fighting... IT'S CROSS COUNTRY. This is the least globally relevant sport for running. I mean, it would make more sense in terms of development for professional careers to have a road racing season instead. There is no global xc season (those BS races in England and the Ukraine don't count) and the only race that means anything is World Cross. Just look at how the US is set up: the pros will race only US Nationals, with maybe the Mayor's Cup in boston in the fall, before going to World's. Keep a couple races, but shorten the season, and extend outdoor track.
No.
Jacob Korir is not 28 years old.
This is going to hurt alot of your feelings guys, but cross country is a meaningless sport. And to echo what the last guy said, it is not relevant on a global scale. To that same effect, the same can be said about indoor track. That season rarely sees the best athletes in the world in top form and should be shortened/cut along with xc.
The Let's Run message board used to be very informative and interesting but the narrow-minded know-it-alls have really made it a struggle to stay interested in any of the posts. Every American sucks, every foreigner deserves our respect and our records, and anyone with some faith in God is a freak. Forget mentioning the word "Jesus", now you're surely a loser. That sounds a lot like the Liberal politicians, doesn't it?.
It must be quite a burden to know everything. If Josh McDougal's attitude toward life and running is wrong, then I'd welcome my children being wrong also. I've met and spoken with the young man several times. He is one of the nicest and most grounded people I've ever met. Are you bashers that unhappy that the only way for you to feel validated is at someone else's expense? I suggest a little soul searching, that is if you believe you have one...
as a christian who is aware of more than just one or two "moral" political issues, i would much rather be sided with some liberal politicians than the extreme religious right and their token boy, bush.
but yet Norfolk State had a guy in the top 10. maybe that guy just didnt run...hmm