Marion Jones fails drug test

she's sucking on walnuts in that pic. how did her top teeth become bottom teeth?

I'm a bit dehydrated this morning, slight headache, but otherwise OK...

I'm always amused at the official IAAF site. The sport all around them is crumbling, could soon be in tatters, but every day on their site it's all sunshine and flowers. La-di-da.

So, did Marion speak yet? Let me guess: I have never knowingly blah blah blah, I cannot comprehend how EPO was detected, etc etc etc....

I for one am glad this has happened. It only confirms what everyone has suspected all along.

the whole two-test system is flawed.

How many of you guys work in a scientific lab?

How many of you are able to discount an analytical result you don't like just because you've done one repeat and got a result you do like? NONE.

So a negative B sample folowing a positive A doesn't prove anything other than someone in the lab may need to do an investigation into why the disparity occurred. I say MAY, as it is possible to get a different PASS/FAIL result from A and B samples giving very similar values. For example, One testosterone/epi ratio may just fail and the other just pass; or one test for a banned substance may be just above LOQ/LOD and the other just below.

I don't know what systems they have in place at the testing labs, but after a 20+ years working in labs I can't imagine an approved facility not having a system for investigating every instance where the results of tests on two supposedly identical samples give results more than a predetermined % appart.

A passing B test following a failed A test does not prove innocence or guilt; just a need to investigate further.

The system is extremely biased in favor of the athletes. If someone fails the A test they should hold the data until the B test has been completed; but they should make all investigations public and enable intelligent readers to draw conclusions as to who is really clean, and was the victim of an analytical error, and who just got lucky with their B sample.

...her innocence is on the same page as 9/11 not being a

Neocon plot.

It was those wild parties with Eddy Hellebuyck and Leonid Shvetsov.

My guess is that you do not have a scientific background. Before pontificating on things based on science you should get such a background.

Several flaws in your comments. FIrst, how many times has the B sample failed to validate the A sample?

Second, if the t/e ratio is very close to the limit, I think that they would now go directly to the Isotope test (even if it was the A sample and the A level was just below the + value).

Both of these points weaken your argument on not following up on disparities between A and B. In cycling, not only do they do the tests, but they also apparently look for "anomolus" (sp?) readinds and follow the athlete and test more often and build a record (see the Tyler Hamilton case).

Finally, how do you know that those with a +A and a non+ B are simply lucky and were indeed doping? If the probability of the A test showing positive when it was indeed not positive, then (in some instances) we would get 1 in a 100 A+/B- results. (obviously, there can be some correlations between testing errors across the A and B samples, but it much be less than 1.

I submit duplicate samples to a scientific lab for environmental work and my company's quality objective to to have those be within 30% (relative percent difference), but it is not uncommon at all for duplicate samples to exceed that. A recent example with a boatload of tests for metals, VOCs, SVOCs, PCBs, OCHs, OCPs, etc. done on duplicate water samples: Some of the analyte concentrations came out pretty close, within 2-10%, others were off by as much 129%.

Ever notice that it is lots of NIKE Athletes getting busted for drugs??????????????????

ghjk wrote:

stig o'tracy wrote:

[quote]mobile9 wrote:

Sure, you'll die at 38 (uh, or some "random" young age, hee-hee), but you'll win, win, win for several glorious years!

I assume you meant Flo Jo. Kim Gallagher (2-time Olympic medalist, women's 800) also died at 38 or thereabouts. Does anyone even remember her? and was there speculation when she died?

There was speculation about Kim long before she died.

The finger should be pointed directly at Craig Masback and Bill Roe for not taking more forceful steps in cleaning up the sport.

What these recent positves tell us is that everyone is using.

The inmates are running this asylum and the sport is dying because of it.

The only way athletes will stop using is when it starts costing them a lot of money. If they're caught ANY time in their career they should be stripped of all records, medals and honors regardless of past negative tests. Then their sponsors should sue them for damaging the sponsors reputation. Then we the people that pay for tickets to see them should file a class action lawsuit against them for damages. Only when the very real threat of serious monetary damage occurs will athletes begin thinking more seriously about staying clean. This goes for all the other professional sports as well.

They use and make a lot of money then get caught and go away, but retain all the money they've stolen. When that stolen money begins to get taken away from athletes things might start to change.

at this rate marion jones should die in a few years because of all her drug use.

Why is Keith Richards still alive?

bojangles wrote:

at this rate marion jones should die in a few years because of all her drug use.

Not A Doctor wrote:

Why is Keith Richards still alive?

Simple, if there's ever a nuclear war, the only living things to remain will be cockroaches, Keith Richards and Cher.

26mi235 wrote:

My guess is that you do not have a scientific background. Before pontificating on things based on science you should get such a background.

Several flaws in your comments. FIrst, how many times has the B sample failed to validate the A sample? .

The purpose of the B test isn't validation at all; it's to allow the athlete, or her proxy, the the right of due diligence, to witness and scrutize the testing protocol.

When it comes right down to it, the A sample doesn't matter one iota in the final calculus. The A sample is only a red flag that something's amiss. The B sample is everything.

The latest on Jones. What do you think of these two statements?

"I would stake my life on it she did not take EPO," Steev Riddick-Jones' Coach

"Marion Jones has always been CLEAR, she has never taken performance-enhancing substances, not now, not ever," Rich Nichols said in a statement to Reuters.

Personally, I think Riddick wants to end his life based on that statement.

'She did not take EPO'

Coach backs Jones, questions positive drug test

Posted: Sunday August 20, 2006 12:04AM; Updated: Sunday August 20, 2006 12:35AM

RALEIGH, North Carolina (Reuters) - Marion Jones's coach said he had received a text message from the former Olympic champion telling him traces of erythropoietin (EPO) had been found in her failed drug test at June's U.S. championships.

"She said I have got some traces of EPO," Steve Riddick told Reuters in a telephone call on Saturday from his Norfolk, Virginia, home.

"I started laughing, but she said she was serious."

Jones hurriedly withdrew from the Zurich Golden League meeting on Friday and returned to the United States.

A source later told Reuters Jones had failed an initial drugs test at the U.S. championships in Indianapolis.

Jones has never previously failed a dope test and has always denied taking performance-enhancing drugs.

If her "B" or second sample is positive and Jones does not clear her name in an arbitration hearing, the 30-year-old would face a two-year ban from the sport.

Riddick, who has worked with Jones for the past two years, said he was sure the "B" sample would be negative.

"I would stake my life on it she did not take EPO," he said.

NO SENSE

Jones had been making a comeback in the sport after giving birth in 2003 and won the U.S. 100 meters championship on the day she was tested.

Riddick queried why any 100 meters runner would take EPO, a substance that boosts endurance by increasing the number of oxygen-carrying red blood cells.

"It don't make no sense unless she wanted to commit public suicide," Riddick said of Jones, who won five medals at the 2000 Olympics, three of them gold.

He also raised the possibility of a mix-up in her sample.

Neither USADA nor the U.S. Olympic Committee (USOC) would comment on her test.

Jones's general counsel denied she had used banned drugs.

"Marion Jones has always been clear, she has never taken performance-enhancing substances, not now, not ever," Rich Nichols said in a statement to Reuters.

However, Jones has been under scrutiny by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) since being linked to the BALCO scandal in 2003.

The man whose laboratory sparked the BALCO scandal said he stood behind comments he had made about seeing Jones use banned drugs.

"I have always told the truth regarding my relationship with Marion Jones," convicted BALCO founder Victor Conte said in an e-mail to Reuters on Saturday.

Conte, who served four months in prison on steroid distribution charges, has previously said he provided Jones with a variety of banned drugs.

Jones denied the allegations and filed a $25 million defamation lawsuit against Conte that was settled this year. Terms of the settlement were not announced.

Copyright 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.

why is every suddenly accusing wariner??