Uncle Sammy wrote:
Prandin is faster than a clean Richardson. Cheaters always lose in the end.
Wait my bad, 70 years of steroid testing.
Because 70 years is alot or something.
Uncle Sammy wrote:
Prandin is faster than a clean Richardson. Cheaters always lose in the end.
Wait my bad, 70 years of steroid testing.
Because 70 years is alot or something.
aztec the moronic wrote:
There's a massive difference between 22.18 and being the 2nd fastest 200m runner EVER with a 21.61.
Yeah it's really not that big of a difference.
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
aztec the moronic wrote:
There's a massive difference between 22.18 and being the 2nd fastest 200m runner EVER with a 21.61.
Fraser-Pryce has done something similar. She has gone from a PB of 22.13 to 21.79. And don't let's forget she just ran this new PB when she is almost 35 years old. Both Thomas and Fraser-Pryce's times are highly suspicious to me. Let's not forget as well that while Thomas is 5ft10 Fraser Pryce looks like she's about 4ft10. Something is not right with these performances.
What's your point?
Thirty five isn't old.
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
aztec the moronic wrote:
There's a massive difference between 22.18 and being the 2nd fastest 200m runner EVER with a 21.61.
Fraser-Pryce has done something similar. She has gone from a PB of 22.13 to 21.79. And don't let's forget she just ran this new PB when she is almost 35 years old. Both Thomas and Fraser-Pryce's times are highly suspicious to me. Let's not forget as well that while Thomas is 5ft10 Fraser Pryce looks like she's about 4ft10. Something is not right with these performances.
Yeah but Prandinis time is perfectly normal. Yeah ok.
Fraser pryce pb was 22.00 into a headwind, she also has decided to put more effort into doubling and finally break 22 this year, a .2 sec improvement for a 100m specialist could just mean improving your speed endurance.
aztec the moronic wrote:
deelweldo wrote:
You are missing the point, the subject of this thread is that Thomas improvement is suspicious on the basis that she did not progress in 2019 and 2020.
It was already explained that in 2019 she was still in college graduating from HARVARD and 2020 was a COVID disrupted year. Notice, that I also find it suspicious but it is slightly explainable.
It was simply noticed that Prandini had the very same kind of stalling both years (Why?), the difference is that she was far removed from college and therefore did not have any other occupation than being a professional athlete in her late twenties ( as a 200m specialist who went from a decade of running 22"xx irregularly and then turn into a 21" at nearly 29, any kind of improvement will be defintely eyebrow-raising)
Prandini had been injured a lot. It's not unreasonable to think a 10.92 runner can run 21.89. Allyson Felix's PRs are 10.89 and 21.69. It's like when Centro ran 13:00 in the 5k, nobody was really surprised because he was an Olympic Gold Medalist in the 1500 with a 3:30 PR. With that speed you'd expect that time.
The point remains that Gabby Thomas improved by more than a full second, running the 2nd fastest time in world history. Prandini did not run the second fastest time in history. Thomas ran .28 fast than Prandini, thus is LIGHT YEARS more suspicious. She's never run a wind legal sub 11 yet somehow she runs wind legal 21.61 which would be sub 11 on the turn and sub 11 on the straight??????????
No it would probably be 11.1-2 on the curve and 10.4-5 on the straight the second 100m is always significantly faster when you run a good 200m.
21.61 is .10 faster than Marita Koch's best, 21.71, achieved under the full might of East German doping. Thomas if clean would run, what, 21.21 doped? Faster?
Another giver of +1 wrote:
21.61 is .10 faster than Marita Koch's best, 21.71, achieved under the full might of East German doping. Thomas if clean would run, what, 21.21 doped? Faster?
Wait I thought Koch was natural? Her records are still there.
fasterrr wrote:
Fraser pryce pb was 22.00 into a headwind, she also has decided to put more effort into doubling and finally break 22 this year, a .2 sec improvement for a 100m specialist could just mean improving your speed endurance.
Fraser -Pryce at 26 years of age, concentrated on both the 100M and 200M for London Olympics. Into a 0.2 headwind she ran 22.09.
Almost ten years later, concentrating on the same two distances she now runs 21.7. Riiiiiight and I have a bridge to sell you.
Fraser-Pryces current times are suspicious as hell, as well as her bodybuilder look.
John_James_413 wrote:
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
Fraser-Pryce has done something similar. She has gone from a PB of 22.13 to 21.79. And don't let's forget she just ran this new PB when she is almost 35 years old. Both Thomas and Fraser-Pryce's times are highly suspicious to me. Let's not forget as well that while Thomas is 5ft10 Fraser Pryce looks like she's about 4ft10. Something is not right with these performances.
What's your point?
Thirty five isn't old.
For a sprinter 35 IS ANCIENT. Unless you were Gatlin of course.
And we know that he got some illegal help during his career.
John_James_413 wrote:
aztec the moronic wrote:
There's a massive difference between 22.18 and being the 2nd fastest 200m runner EVER with a 21.61.
Yeah it's really not that big of a difference.
It's an enormous difference, close to 3/10ths of a second EACH 100m. Sprinters train for years just to shave off .01 seconds from their time.
Allyson Felix ran 22.11 in high school and improved to 21.69 as her career best. Thomas saw more improvement in JUST ONE YEAR after being stuck at 22.6. Not coincidentally she missed 3 drug tests in that span.
You can cry all you want,Prandini or any white male or female
ain't making the podium in any sprint.
John_James_413 wrote:
Another giver of +1 wrote:
21.61 is .10 faster than Marita Koch's best, 21.71, achieved under the full might of East German doping. Thomas if clean would run, what, 21.21 doped? Faster?
Wait I thought Koch was natural? Her records are still there.
She never tested positive. Doesn't mean she wasn't fully doped. No OOC testing in those days.
Ain't 1857 wrote:
You can cry all you want,Prandini or any white male or female
ain't making the podium in any sprint.
Why's that?
How does melanin affect sprint speed?
Her staggering form since her missed drug tests continues
aztec the moronic wrote:
John_James_413 wrote:
Yeah it's really not that big of a difference.
It's an enormous difference, close to 3/10ths of a second EACH 100m. Sprinters train for years just to shave off .01 seconds from their time.
Allyson Felix ran 22.11 in high school and improved to 21.69 as her career best. Thomas saw more improvement in JUST ONE YEAR after being stuck at 22.6. Not coincidentally she missed 3 drug tests in that span.
Missing drug tests is a valid reason for suspicion, but it’s misleading to claim she was “stuck” at 22.6. She ran the 200 only twice in 2020! It was also the first summer of the pandemic, with the Olympics canceled. We can only imagine the devastating impact this had on Olympic-caliber athletes’ mental health and their ability to train and perform at their highest level. Noah Lyles has commented on this.
Moreover, if you dig just a little deeper into her yearly results listed on her World Athletics profile, you’ll see she ran the 300 in 35.98 at the 2019 US indoor championships. According to the World Athletics scoring tables, that time is worth 1220 points, which is equivalent to 22.17 in the outdoor 200, slightly better than the 22.19 she ran the previous summer. In her 2020 indoor season opener (the only indoor race she did before covid ruined everything), she ran a 36.52 300, equivalent to a 22.46 outdoor 200. So, no, she was not stuck at a 22.6 level in 2019 or even 2020. She actually improved on her 2018 level in the 2019 indoor season, had a rough 2019 outdoor season (it happens, athletes are humans not machines), and then ran a strong 2020 indoor season opener before training and racing got disrupted by a global pandemic.
A more fair assessment of her progression would start with a look at 2016, when she ran 22.47 at age 19. She had some ups and downs over the following 5 years, which can be expected as, again, athletes are humans. At the age of 24, she ran 21.61, which is 0.86 faster than her best time as a teenager. A 200 improvement of 0.86 from age 19 to age 24 seems pretty reasonable to me.