For many of the older message board posters, it is apparent they need to move on in life. Continuing to hold that same dream that their opinions matters for even another year seems pointless to me.
For many of the older message board posters, it is apparent they need to move on in life. Continuing to hold that same dream that their opinions matters for even another year seems pointless to me.
Old School Letsrun Was Actually Kinda Cool wrote:
Never used myself as a solipsistic reference point, that's more of a SoCal thing.
So says the obsessed want to be guy.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
For many of the older message board posters, it is apparent they need to move on in life. Continuing to hold that same dream that their opinions matters for even another year seems pointless to me.
For the sub elite punk hobby jogger their opinion never did matter.
YersiniaPestis wrote:
couch bum wrote:
If they want to keep running, what is it to anyone else? Isn’t that the letsrun dream, to go all in on running? I respect the heck out of the people who keep trying, if you’re gonna live you might as well enjoy it. Can’t believe I read the whole thread, shouldn’t have bothered clicking on it
Yeah, if Igloi's Ghost had his way each even would have 8 people selected by a committee and the entire Trials would last 2 hours.
Did I say that or infer that? I don’t think so.
HappyJack wrote:
HRE wrote:
If you're making your living from the sport is it really a dream? And if you're making your living doing something you really like doing why would you quit doing it to start doing something you don't like as well? Why wouldn't you keep doing it for as long as you can. Look at other professional sports and you see guys hanging on for as long as someone will give them a uniform and a paycheck.
Maybe someone else can, but I can't find any argument with your post, nor have I anything else to add.
Sometimes what seems to be a good move in the present, is very much regretted ten years down the line. If someone is just getting by and not building for the future, that might be one of those bad decisions. (I rarely agree with the Ghost but he might be right this time.)
If your 28 years old professional and ran 3:37 1500m PR four years ago, unable to make a U.S. final, how much upside is there. Sure you are a very good runner, but face it, that time just doesn’t cut it anymore. Can this pro be the exception? Sure, but far more likely that it is time to move on.
you’re
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
For many of the older message board posters, it is apparent they need to move on in life. Continuing to hold that same dream that their opinions matters for even another year seems pointless to me.
For the sub elite punk hobby jogger their opinion never did matter.
Does it hurt when you feel called out? Also my username is a joke, thanks for taking it seriously and trying to use it as an insult.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
For many of the older message board posters, it is apparent they need to move on in life. Continuing to hold that same dream that their opinions matters for even another year seems pointless to me.
For the sub elite punk hobby jogger their opinion never did matter.
Now I disagree with both of you. An opinion only matters when public relations are at issue.
Whether a statement is true or not is what has relevancy. That can be discussed and argued. Facts supporting or invalidating it are relevant. The fact that that statement also may be an opinion is irrelevant regardless who it is made by.
the way it is wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
For the sub elite punk hobby jogger their opinion never did matter.
Now I disagree with both of you. An opinion only matters when public relations are at issue.
Whether a statement is true or not is what has relevancy. That can be discussed and argued. Facts supporting or invalidating it are relevant. The fact that that statement also may be an opinion is irrelevant regardless who it is made by.
To clarify, I agree with you that the opinions don't matter but I disagree with the relevancy of saying it to support or invalidate an argument.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
For the sub elite punk hobby jogger their opinion never did matter.
Does it hurt when you feel called out? Also my username is a joke, thanks for taking it seriously and trying to use it as an insult.
I am crushed.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
OK, but at some point you’re just kidding yourself if you’re a 28 year old 7th place Olympic Trials finisher with $500 in savings.
The fastest distance runners peak in their late 20s and early 30s. Why would a runner who is top 7 nationally give it up at 28?
Coach X wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
OK, but at some point you’re just kidding yourself if you’re a 28 year old 7th place Olympic Trials finisher with $500 in savings.
The fastest distance runners peak in their late 20s and early 30s. Why would a runner who is top 7 nationally give it up at 28?
There is that argument. I suppose it becomes more of a question of priorities. I would be more inclined to question the trajectory of a pro that hasn’t PRed since the invention of super shoes. Again, I don’t think I answered the question as much as posed the wuestion.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Old School Letsrun Was Actually Kinda Cool wrote:
Never used myself as a solipsistic reference point, that's more of a SoCal thing.
So says the obsessed want to be guy.
You mean the one who calls himself another man's name? While touting his alleged credentials anonymously? You're tragically lacking self-awareness, buddy.
OP is living proof that the you never have to give up on the dream of trolling people, whether it be this thread or the yearslong one where he maintained that the stock market was about to collapse throughout an historic rise.
Keep calm and post on, and on, and on.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
OK, but at some point you’re just kidding yourself if you’re a 28 year old 7th place Olympic Trials finisher with $500 in savings.
Leah Falland? I believe she was ninth.
Good lord.
Why would (does) anyone think they should (can) comment on how someone else wants to live their life (given they are not hurting anyone else)? ... judge what their priorities should be?
Are you so wise that you know what the real meaning of life is?
Can you predict the future?
(This place amazes me on a daily basis... I'm off to Kona.)
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
For many of the older professional distance runners it is apparent they need to move on in life. Continuing to hold that same dream for even another year seems pointless to me.
But if they hang on another 50 years they could pick off an Ed Whitlock record or two.
I have seen the "chasing a dream" issue play out in a number of different professions. I tried to be a professional musician and made it to about 29 before it was clear it was time to move on. That decision is hard because of both leaving what you have spent a good part of your life doing and the uncertainty of what lies on the other side. The natural inclination is to hold on as long as you can just out of fear of change. There are definitely people who just refuse to move on and it is hard to watch because it becomes self destructive. I remember meeting a musician who was 40 and still trying to make it. He had a wife and two kids. They could only afford to eat out once a month and would order ice tea with free refills and pass the glass around the table. They basically lived like a family surviving on minimum wage work even though this guy was as smart as anyone and could have moved on to another profession a decade ago.
I also know a couple of guys who are trying to make it in the pro golf ranks. It is a bit less stressful financially as they can make money teaching on the side to help fund the expenses of playing tournaments. But it is kind of the same thing. They go year after year either missing getting a PGA card or get a card and then lose it before making any cuts.
In the distance running world, it is pretty clear that there are some runners out there who are never going to get even close to where they need to be to make a living as a pro. Every year, a pile of top collegians get the good sponsorships and spots in top training groups. Getting to that point where you can move on from having running as your purpose in life to getting a job as director of marketing at a tech start up is something that is not easy.
I kNoW... thEY shOuLd moVe oN anD cOntriButE tO thE CapItaLisM maChiNE. CoNfoRM anD ConsUmE likE EvEryOnE elSe.