This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
"But we can know after the fact if someone was susceptible so we simply can teleport back in time to administer the vaccine. Therefore the vaccine is terrible."
Haven't you learned by now? Antivaxxers are as averse to middle-school level numerical data as they are to vaccines and saving lives. The only acceptable standard for proof is: 1) random anecdotes 2) a random article about some person, whose vaccination status is not even clear, dying; from which extensive sh!tposting about the vaccines can be made.
"But we can know after the fact if someone was susceptible so we simply can teleport back in time to administer the vaccine. Therefore the vaccine is terrible."
Haven't you learned by now? Antivaxxers are as averse to middle-school level numerical data as they are to vaccines and saving lives. The only acceptable standard for proof is: 1) random anecdotes 2) a random article about some person, whose vaccination status is not even clear, dying; from which extensive sh!tposting about the vaccines can be made.
And these quacks have an agenda. They want to get famous and have a YouTube following
What year, if ever, do antivaxxers predict we will all know that they were right and that vaccines are somehow dangerous and that we all should have listened to them in the first place?
Lead author of peer reviewed research re-analysing Pfizer & Moderna trials on mRNA vaccine @JosephFraiman calls for immediate suspension of jab due to serious harms.
‘We have conclusive evidence that the vaccines are inducing sudden cardiac death’
You are free to pull up excess deaths by age for the under 25 category and you will find that the deaths for 2020, 2021, 2022, are not statistically different than for 2015-2019. There are not massive deaths from the vaccine. There are not massive deaths from the virus. The data tells us that for those under 25, the vaccines don't really help and they don't really hurt in a significant way. Feel free to go either way. One other nugget in the data is that for 25-44 year age group, the number of deaths has stayed about 30% higher than the baseline period of 2015-2019. This difference remains regardless of the background prevalence of COVID, which suggests that either the CDC is double counting or something else is taking place [cardiac injuries from COVID or the COVID vaccine, an increase in overdoses due to the increased use of fentanyl as a cutting agent in the drug supply (25-44 year olds are the most likely to overdose), or an increase in suicides].
There is no real evidence of this. Excess deaths among kids are essentially unchanged since before COVID.
I just saw a post where a 6 year old kid in Durham died a few days ago from a stroke. A stroke! Since when do 6 year olds have strokes? And to top it off, someone in the comments had dug around and found where his dad had posted on Twitter last May about how his kids were excited to get the jab because it meant they could get some candy afterwards. And I'm seeing multiple stories like this everyday. Young kids and teenagers having heart attacks and just dropping dead. It's not normal! I'm past the point of being sad about it and am just getting angrier ever day.
Durability of response against mild disease. But we 'don't care about that.'
At worst the bivalent is the same as re-boosting after ~1 year with the WT vaccine. The improvement is already visible in CDC death and hospitalization data across all age cohorts.
Consistency please.
Honestly I can’t figure out what Covidicy is arguing. The vaccines are terrible… but only against mild disease which no one cares about. The booster sucks except only the bivalent and uhhh I guess only against mild disease which no one cares about. And imprinting could be happening and dampening the response against mild disease… which no one cares about. So his major gripes are over things “no one cares about!” Im sense just general discontent search for a sensible reason lol.
At this point, nobody thinks you and Harambe are different people. It’s too obvious. You change your tone and verbiage slightly, but it’s painfully obvious.
I’m arguing what I’ve always argued. While the “vaccines” do provide a net benefit (and this is important) for high risk groups and the elderly (let’s call it 65+), they were unnecessary for a great many people, people who could’ve implemented some basics to drastically improve overall course of illness and outcomes. I can and have provided data that natural immunity is just as good as, and, in some cases better than “jab-induced” immunity, but you don’t like the data, wherever it’s from Israel or Qatar or Europe or Cleveland Clinic. And, frankly nobody is or has really looked to try to prove this. The vast majority of subsidies have gone toward research trying to support the jabs. Just like VAERS is only as good as the data, but it’s not clean and pristine, as many doctors have alerted to. Can’t really fairly assess incomplete data.
It’s like this Topol opinion piece. He is theorizing the bivalent booster is providing a broader response, but primarily in the 65+ cohort and only in terms of increased antibodies, which wane over three to four months. Offit clearly doesn’t think the bivalent is a key piece of the strategy with a rapidly mutating virus, and he was pissed they weren’t provided early clinical data, which actually showed no strong clinical correlate versus just boosting with wild type.
There is a signal that these vaccines are doing damage, and more and more doctors are waking up to this fact and asking for the jabs to be pulled, especially for certain sub-groups of people. Plus, Big Pharma is dragging their feet with regard to providing data that may prove adversarial to the pro-jab narrative.
I bring Japan up, because it’s about the best example we have of a largely homogenous population that is compliant, both with vaccination and masking. It’s *possibly* a canary in the coal mine. They are struggling with their worst caseload and death rate since the pandemic started, something you tried to dismiss when I first brought it up six weeks ago. This is primarily with the innocuous BA.5 strain that Topol himself said is innocuous. So, the question is why? Are we seeing the worst of imprinting? Are we seeing an abnormal immune response, like increased IgG4, which, while ubiquitous, shouldn’t be increasing so much with these jabs. I don’t know, but neither do you.
All I can say is I feel great being in the control group, with an immune system that has mounted a broad and durable response against all the major epitopes. I am your confounder. It pisses you off to no end that I exist and I have plenty of unjabbed friends and family who are doing just fine even though they’re supposed to be dead or have long Covid, while I also know four people who have died related to the jabs. The only people getting sick are the vaccinated, including my quadruple jabbed mother. This IS observational data.
Personally, I’d be sweating it if I were young and thrice jabbed. But, you guys do you. Anyone who doesn’t advocate the mainstream narrative must be a grifter or charlatan. No room for dissent. Honestly, we ARE all wasting time at this point.
"The study establishes further linkage between the mRNA shots and an increased risk of myocarditis in young people by providing a potential biomedical causal mechanism."
The island nation reported 185,472 new coronavirus cases, down 13,401 from Wednesday. Tokyo reported 13,427 new cases, down 3,345 from Wednesday. "The number of coronavirus-related deaths reported nationwide was a record high...
You’re on fire. You’re right again. All right-wingers, chiropractors, CNAs, and retired nurses are quacks, just like you. Maybe there is hope.
Yup. That’s where it comes from. The quacks. Alex Jones, Campbell the YouTube entertainer, some “scientist” in front of a supermarket listening to Glenn Beck type podcast warning that if I take Covid vaccine I’ll drop dead, and CNAs at nursing homes seeing lots of deaths and concluding the vaccine is the cause.
Pretty spot on. And they all surprisingly have something to sell you or a newsletter to subscribe to.
But, don’t worry, they’re doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.
You are free to pull up excess deaths by age for the under 25 category and you will find that the deaths for 2020, 2021, 2022, are not statistically different than for 2015-2019. There are not massive deaths from the vaccine. There are not massive deaths from the virus. The data tells us that for those under 25, the vaccines don't really help and they don't really hurt in a significant way. Feel free to go either way. One other nugget in the data is that for 25-44 year age group, the number of deaths has stayed about 30% higher than the baseline period of 2015-2019. This difference remains regardless of the background prevalence of COVID, which suggests that either the CDC is double counting or something else is taking place [cardiac injuries from COVID or the COVID vaccine, an increase in overdoses due to the increased use of fentanyl as a cutting agent in the drug supply (25-44 year olds are the most likely to overdose), or an increase in suicides].
Or an increase in complications from COVID. Such as cardiac issues. Which the vaccine is shown to prevent.
It’s well known the COVID transiently increases your risk of a lot of serious issues. Thankfully vaccination mitigates it but a good portion of that 30% is just complications post COVID.
Also, the risk of death from COVID may be small for under 25s but the risk of hospitalization and lingering effects that greatly affect quality of life is much higher. Good thing vaccination protects against that!
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