"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

Harambe wrote:

I'm gonna trust one of the world experts on viral immunology to interpret the data (from that and other papers) over you:

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1428785694198013957?s=20

Dude, the quote is from the study this guy posted? Are you delusional? You put more trust in a twitter quote than the abstract of the paper he posts? Are you a child who can't tell the difference? There is no pandemic of the unvaxxed. You are just distorting reality, grossly.

Crotty synthesizes data from that paper and others. I trust him to make sense of the emerging evidence as -whole- more than you. Do you have decades of training in immunology and multiple publications about immune response to COVID in the last 18 months?

There's evidence the vaccine protects against long-COVID after infection. Note: odds of infection are lower as well, so the protection is even higher.

But the real success is getting Lead Foil Hat to admit:

COVID can cause long term damage!

Suddenly all that fearmongering about hypothetical (and totally unproven/mechanistically impossible) long-term effects of the vaccine seems silly considering the virus itself is a -proven- risk!

PTF wrote:

Crap...link above didn't work. One more try. If this doesn't work, my apologies.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1Wi3LQ24C5TVE9j1bNHQEzINxV0IpXdrdg00Q1aPKHAizNLLUNB-H8G5U

94.6% of the over 50s in the UK are vaccinated (see page four)

That means 652 of of the over 50 deaths occurred in 94.6% of the population and 318 occurred in 5.4% of the population. Roughly -- some change in vaccination status over the last month.

We can calculate vaccine effectiveness by scaling for vaccine uptake:

1-(652/94.6)/(318/5.4)

88.3% efficacy against death for 50+ with this simple calculation.

As we see in Israel, breaking it out by decades would push vaccine efficacy even higher.

I couldn't find hard stats for the under 50s with quick googling but the numbers are not as paradoxical.

The vaccines work against Delta.

It's over Harambe.

Can't keep the Big Lie going any longer

But numbers are scary and the angry man on YouTube told me Democrats are lying so…

The Unkle wrote:

It's over Harambe.

Can't keep the Big Lie going any longer

I know a 40 year old father who died last night In Dallas from Covid, he was unvaccinated and has no medical condition. Small bit over weight but nothing out of the norm.

Like you he was ant-vaxxer and bought into exactly the same BS you promote. A one year old girl has lost her father needlessly. What are you getting out of this? Or are you just that fvcking dumb?

huh really wrote:

What are you getting out of this? Or are you just that fvcking dumb?

He's not dumb at all, but a fairly clever and successful troll. And what he's "getting out of this" is responses, which are what a troll lives for.

You can make him a bit less successful by not responding to him at all. Several of us don't.

I can't believe anyone uses data to try to persuade conservative simpletons. 100% waste of time. They are conservative simpletons at essence and forever.

Again, this was never about details. As soon as it was compared to 1920 it was always going to be longer and worse than any estimate. And the same with the peripheral topics. Generalities overwhelm specifics. There will be complications of this virus that impact vital organs and shorten lives. Most of those complications won't be identified or fully understood for years if not decades. When those organs are compromised and lives are shortened, it will trace to the unvaccinated. That will be the dominant variable, beyond age or any other demographic. That's hardly a prediction. When you understand big picture realities the forecasts take care of themselves.

Lol. Pandemic.

I also have a pandemic in the house. No more Reese's pieces!! Gonna put the place on lockdown.

what a fool wrote:

Lol. Pandemic.

I also have a pandemic in the house. No more Reese's pieces!! Gonna put the place on lockdown.

I for one fully support this new 'Truth in Usernames' trend.

huh really wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

It's over Harambe.

Can't keep the Big Lie going any longer

I know a 40 year old father who died last night In Dallas from Covid, he was unvaccinated and has no medical condition. Small bit over weight but nothing out of the norm.

Like you he was ant-vaxxer and bought into exactly the same BS you promote. A one year old girl has lost her father needlessly. What are you getting out of this? Or are you just that fvcking dumb?

I know a young family of 15 in Toledo that all just died in the hospital. They were all vaxxed. Like you they were apro tyranny anti American vaxx pushers and you killed them. Are you that fkingg dumb?

formerly present wrote:

huh really wrote:

What are you getting out of this? Or are you just that fvcking dumb?

He's not dumb at all, but a fairly clever and successful troll. And what he's "getting out of this" is responses, which are what a troll lives for.

You can make him a bit less successful by not responding to him at all. Several of us don't.

Agreed - I stopped responding in Feb and it's made LRC way better. The script to just remove all their posts from my browser is even better. I still see quotes though.

hgggg wrote:

what a fool wrote:

Lol. Pandemic.

I also have a pandemic in the house. No more Reese's pieces!! Gonna put the place on lockdown.

I for one fully support this new 'Truth in Usernames' trend.

+1 thank you for backing the fact that harambe is a grade A fool.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXV wrote:

Going back to these old lines now? This is all you have? How about the data showing the correlation between lockdowns and increased excess deaths you notes above? Be sure to use all states, regions and nations in your "analysis". When you post the study or figure out how to post the data here directly, maybe we can consider believing you. These 1.5 year old weak arguments you keep using are not enough though.

Other causes of death did not change in 2020 so misdiagnoses are hard to explain.

100% LIE. You are misleading everyone on this board. Apologize now.

In the discussion section, the CDC states:

1.) "Covid was either an underlying OR A CONTRIBUTING CAUSE of 377,883 deaths"

2.) "the cause of death for certain persons might have been misclassified."

3.) The only data available today is PROVISIONAL. Therefore, it is a lie for you to claim that other causes of death did not change in 2020 because the final mortality data are released 11 months after the end of the data year. That will be this November.

95% of all hospitalizations and deaths where Covid was involved occur in individuals with one or more existing health problems.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

100% LIE. You are misleading everyone on this board. Apologize now.

Www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

In the discussion section, the CDC states:

1.) "Covid was either an underlying OR A CONTRIBUTING CAUSE of 377,883 deaths"

2.) "the cause of death for certain persons might have been misclassified."

3.) The only data available today is PROVISIONAL. Therefore, it is a lie for you to claim that other causes of death did not change in 2020 because the final mortality data are released 11 months after the end of the data year. That will be this November.

95% of all hospitalizations and deaths where Covid was involved occur in individuals with one or more existing health problems.

1) All the deaths have been logged. A few more might trickle in. You can get the underlying cause of death data. I’ve done it many times on this board. Last I checked COVID was the underlying cause of death for 92% of all death certificates involving the disease. That’s obviously substantial and matches with the excess mortality trends. I.e. COVID killed a lot of people.

2) certainly some errors may have occurred. Just like any year. There’s no evidence that doctors are misclassifying deaths by the tens of thousand this year or any year before. They’re doctors. They’re generally good at their job. Unless you allege doctors are engaged in massive conspiracy or all suddenly became I competent, this is a dumb argument.

3) yeah the data is provisional but the CDC says something like 90% or more of records are processed within a month or two of death. The data is almost certainly nearly complete. Im not sure what you expect happens over the next two months to make the data not provisional, but it’s not much.

We have all the data. Causes of deaths haven’t changed except for COVID. You are welcome to hold out hope that the CDC will say “COVID didn’t exist” in November but those of us looking at the data for the last 18 months have moved on.

Seriously though. Lol. This is your play? “Wait until November?” Is trump gonna be reinstalled then too?

2600 bro wrote:

formerly present wrote:

He's not dumb at all, but a fairly clever and successful troll. And what he's "getting out of this" is responses, which are what a troll lives for.

You can make him a bit less successful by not responding to him at all. Several of us don't.

Agreed - I stopped responding in Feb and it's made LRC way better. The script to just remove all their posts from my browser is even better. I still see quotes though.

The Unkle deleting script has made my LRC experience much better as well.

2600 bro wrote:

formerly present wrote:

He's not dumb at all, but a fairly clever and successful troll. And what he's "getting out of this" is responses, which are what a troll lives for.

You can make him a bit less successful by not responding to him at all. Several of us don't.

Agreed - I stopped responding in Feb and it's made LRC way better. The script to just remove all their posts from my browser is even better. I still see quotes though.

We know you love a good echo chamber where scary thoughts can’t hurt you.

Harambe -claims Covid has long term effects.

Covid - has only been around for not even 2 years.

Makes sense.

Yawn^9 wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Agreed - I stopped responding in Feb and it's made LRC way better. The script to just remove all their posts from my browser is even better. I still see quotes though.

We know you love a good echo chamber where scary thoughts can’t hurt you.

Banning trolls is enshrined in the constitution. No bad faith poasters allowed in the ivory tower of LRC.