I'll give it to Torres by less than 2 seconds. Torres might beat Ritz by a decent fashion, but if Ritz wins he definitely won't outpace Torres. Ritz' race fitness is a bit unknown right now, while I think we know Torres is in mid-13:20's shape or maybe better.
they are best buddies and will share in the victory.
Torres: 13:17
Ritz: 13:18
Rupp: 28:10
Torres: 13:23.6
Ritz: 13:28.8
Rupp: 28:38.7
All fine runners
But I give the 5K to Web, he has got the wheels and tools to run under 12:50.
In the 10k it is really a toss up bettwen Torres and Ritzhine. With TORRES getting the slight nood, due to the fact that he is very consistent and has not made in coaching changes.
The younger cat, I have read Sals training ideas. And also know that he got a lot of his training form B.Dillinger who was big into hard, training that often seems like it was painfull and over the line. So I think there is a very big question regarding his lasting power.
SolRichards wrote:
All fine runners
But I give the 5K to Web, he has got the wheels and tools to run under 12:50.
In the 10k it is really a toss up bettwen Torres and Ritzhine. With TORRES getting the slight nood, due to the fact that he is very consistent and has not made in coaching changes.
The younger cat, I have read Sals training ideas. And also know that he got a lot of his training form B.Dillinger who was big into hard, training that often seems like it was painfull and over the line. So I think there is a very big question regarding his lasting power.
So Sol, at 10k you give the "nood" to Torres, eh? Excellent. But is that only if they are running in the nude? What about with clothes on? :-) Oh Sol , you know we love you.
Webb will never run near 12:50 for 5k, sorry my man.
Here are my predictions:
**This weekend:
Torres 13:23, Ritz 13:24, Webb brings a keg and watches.
** Future 1500 pr's for all:
Webb 3:29.5, Ritz: 3:36, Torres 3:38 (the last two have potential to go even a little faster, but they will not run many of 1500's, so that is why I pick those #'s)
Future final 5k pr's for all:
Ritz 13:03, Webb 13:05, Torres 13:08
future final 10k pr's for all:
Ritz 27:09, Torres 27:19, Webb 27:55 (this time Webb could go faster, but will not run many 10k's)
marathon final PR's:
Ritz: 2:07:30, Torres 2:08:30, Webb: will not run
Ritz--- 13:15
Torres: 13:25
Rupp: 28:03
I've got a question. What is the A standard this year?
so now we are down to 13:15 for Ritz, and as low as 13:17 for Torres. LOL. Keep going folks. The group-think absurdity is amazing, like a bidding process to see how low we can go.
Torres runs 3:43 for 1500 looking not so hot (I saw it) and amazingly a week later blasts a 13:17. Ah ha.
You may be the only poster today that has any idea about running,!!! the rest of you guys are idiots, maybe you guys have not run a 5k this early in a season when your training to peak later on, their not gonna break 13:15 idiots, mark my words, torres will beat ritz tho, torres has better track times than ritz and they have trained together so i dont think torres will be intimidated, torres also has way better speed, in a 10k ritz would slaughter him, but who cares about the 10.
In all fairness to Jorge, his time was fine at 3:43 last week, but he himself looked distressed at his run. Nothing like 13:17 gonna happen though.
Ritz-13:27
Torres-13:29
Rupp-28:31
Ritz and Torres take it out strong, after 9 laps they have a 300 meter gap on the rest of the field... then one of the other runners, who is a letsrun.com poster, gets in a fist-fight with another runner over an argument about who is better, Ritz or Torres. A melee ensues, Ritz and Torres run right into the mass of bodies, and everyone DNF's.
Or, neither Ritz nor Torres is in sufficient fitness now to break 13:30.
I tried looking it up in IAAF, but only got a blank page:http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/standards/index.htmlA close estimate would be the A-standard from last year (13:21.5):http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/standards/xml=olympics_2004/index.html
Ladies man wrote:
I've got a question. What is the A standard this year?
I found the A-standard. It's still 13:21.50.
http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/standards/xml=helsinki_2005/index.html
IAAF World Championships in Athletics, Helsinki, Finland 6/14 August 2005 - Entry Standards - Men
Event A B
100 Metres 10.21 10.28
200 Metres 20.59 20.75
400 Metres 45.55 45.95
800 Metres 1:45.40 1:46.60
1500 Metres 3:36.20 3:38.00
5000 Metres 13:21.50 13:28.00
10,000 Metres 27:49.00 28:06.00
Marathon 2:18:00
3000 Metres Steeplechase 8:24.60 8:32.00
110 Metres Hurdles 13.55 13.62
400 Metres Hurdles 49.20 49.80
High Jump 2.30m 2.27m
Pole Vault 5.75m 5.60m
Long Jump 8.20m 8.10m
Triple Jump 17.10m 16.70m
Shot Put 20.50m 20.00m
Discus Throw 65.00m 63.00m
Hammer Throw 78.65m 74.35m
Javelin Throw 81.80m 77.80m
Decathlon 8050pts 7800pts
20 Kilometres Race Walk 1:23:00 1:24:30
50 Kilometres Race Walk 4:00:00 4:07:00
4x100 Metres Relay 39.00
4x400 Metres Relay 3:04.00
It's good to see Jorge getting out there and mixing it up in a 1,500. From the pictures I saw it looks like he was leading at one point late in the race so it's not like he was getting dragged to glory in a super fast race.
It sounds like Ritz is not planning on running any 1,500's which I think is a mistake at this stage of his career.
Jorge 13:29
Ritz 13:30
Earl wrote:
Jorge 13:29
Ritz 13:30
I definitely think Torres will finish extremely close to the 13:21.50 time standard at worst. I'm one of those predicting 13:19.
As a previous poster said, with Ritz' coaching change and unconcluding results so far, it's harder to predict his race. But I think he'll PR.
people,people, people........
Ok, maybe 13:15 is a bit unrealistic, but all of this talk of them only running 13:30, or over 13:30......c'mon, have you no faith at all?
This is what the Oregon meet says:
"Kenyan Pace maker – “A” standard " SO......all the people saying "no way will they even be shooting for a low 13:20's time this early in the season, blah, blah, blah..." ARE WRONG This race is set-up for them to shoot for 13:21. They will have a KENYAN pacer, and each other to help them towards this time. Now I personally don't think they will get it, but certainly they will be shooting for it, and certainly be pretty close.
And that's why I am going with 13:23 and 13:25. But the more I think about it, they may be a little quicker. Low 13:20's for sure.
And all this talk of "early season" is also a bit much too. Both these guys have been training HARD since late fall, and all through the winter. Each ran some great X-C, a good road race (Ritz 10k vs Baldini, Jorge 8k national win) and are now ready for the track.
If Ritz runs only 13:30 (a time that would be the same as Webb, who is a miler just running it as an overdistance workout/race, virtually the same as Hall, who is not as good as Ritz, only 5 seonds faster than Winthrow, a redshirt frosh)......wow, he really will be disappointed.
Frank N. Stein, MD wrote:
only 5 seonds faster than Winthrow, a redshirt frosh)......wow, he really will be disappointed.
I totally agree, but funny how you bring up Winthrow after what happened at World XC. Granted though Ritz went out faster.
Frank, Frank, Frank, who's gonna quibble over a few seconds here or there... If the Oregon crowd inspires them and the weather is primo, inspiration can do amazing things.
both guys should be between 13:25-13:30, still fine for early May.