Heps

Yawn. Anonymous trolls slinging accusations. Got something to say? Take ownership.

All the best,

Giles

Just in case you kids doubt Cornell Track's academic standards, you may want to look into this award that was given to Nathan Taylor for having a team with a top cumulative GPA.

http://www.ustrackcoaches.org/Web/C_n_A_of_the_year/indoor%202003%20coaches%20of%20year.htm#DIVISION_I

This quote can also be found at the site listed below.

"Under his guidance, the team has achieved off the field as well, as Cornell was selected as a USTCA Scholastic All-America team after sporting a cumulative 3.14 GPA for 2004. He has proved that academic and athletic excellence can, and do, go hand in hand."

http://cornellbigred.collegesports.com/sports/m-track/mtt/taylor_nathan00.html

I believe Cornell track was 5th in the country in Division I for cum. GPA.

ok Giles,

a quick internet search reveals Cornell has over 13,000 undergraduates . . . . Columbia has about 4,000. One would expect a difference in athletic programs regardless of academics. This doesn't detract from the fact that Taylor and Rojo are excellent coaches and have an great team that continuously (unlike Princeton recently) rises to the occasion at big meets. It also goes on in other conferences too (see Atlantic 10, URI). It is also no coincedence that Penn is the 2nd largest school at 9,500 and has had decent athletic teams in the major sports for many years. The smaller schools have a tougher choice - either A) field smaller teams or B) go the route of Williams College and have a student body of athletes and geniuses with no one in between (magnified at Williams because they only have 2000 students).

WOW! what can I say. I'm glad so many of you enjoyed the HEPs this past weekend. A few things...

1) Tully ran a great race and beat me at my own game. He's a great talent and i think we should give him a bit more credit than he's gotten thus far. He has run faster than me this year and is obviously peaking right when it counts. I was obviously very upset but I guess you can't win them all...

2) To me, Penn storming the track added insult to injury. But I'm flattered that they were that excited about beating me. I think a team running across the track while competitors are still trying to finish should not be legal.

3) I did indeed "fail out" of Cornell. I'm not going to get into a lot of the personal reasons that contributed to my poor grades. I will say that my priorities were not in the right place. Those of you that feel Cornell has it's priorities out of place by re-admitting me don't really get it.

I learned a lot on my time off. I am not ashamed to say I failed out. I had two semesters under a 2.0 and at cornell that is "failing". My grades this past semester were good for me and I am enjoying what i am doing in school for the first time in a while. I truly feel like a student-athlete as opposed to an athlete trying to get by as easily as possible. I now have a lot of interests outside of track, I'm turning into a more well-rounded person. I guess working full time in a restaurant for a year puts things in perspective, studying isn't nearly as bad as a night in the kitchen.

Anyways, I want to thank all the Cornell fans that came out to support us this weekend. I know having you there was a large reason we won, especially after so many mistakes/problems.

In addition, if any of you want to continue to discuss my personal life, feel free to email me.

Cheers,

Bruce Hyde

Bill makes a decent point, but I believe track teams are capped at around 65 members. So Columbia could still field a team as large as Cornell and only give away 1.6 percent of its acceptance pool to track athletes. I realize this is an ideal circumstance, but the fact that Cornell has 13k students doesn't give them a distinct advantage at Heps. If this were the case, then all of their varsity sports should follow in a similiar manner. They don't.

Bruce

your response was handled with class...

I hung out with Scarpa and Beadle on Saturday...ecstatic to hear you will soon be a fellow Brother....

Trust The House during Dime and Hankey...The House would never do anything to adversely affect your running...never did for me...

Radiator Question....

Name three other Brothers who have held Cornell track Records? ...(not me...I was lucky to have lettered...)

Good house story...in 1986...the Cornell Swim team beat Harvard (with many brothers on team as well as in the stands having "tailgated" for the meet) Doug Pew ran down the bleachers and dove three levels into the pool with his clothes on taking down the line of triangular flags strung across the pool.

I will see you at Columbia..

All the best

EC

PHI PSI '88, CORNELL TRACK '91

Neuropsychiatrist wrote:

Are you Bruce's Academic advisor? ...please present his report card...

If you look at many students in College..including all the HEPS schools, many students take semesters off for whatever reason..personal, academic..even redshirting one year due to injury..other priorities etc...... However, stats indicate that HEPS schools graduate their students and athletes in 90 plus percent range within 6 years...If you want to single out people who took years or semesters off...you may want to indict Tora Harris as well who won 4 indoor high jump titles in FIVE years!

Yes Tora took a year off to try to make the Olympic team, no problem with NCAA or Ivy rules. In response to the original comment, all the Ivy schools readmit students who have taken time off due to academic problems subject to the institution's rules.

JFields wrote:

This junk about Cornell using questionable tactics to win races is also insane. When you are running on a track at top speeds and 6-8 people all cut in at once, people can easily fall! Nobody was trying to take anyone out, there was no conspiracy. Someone got tangled up on the cut in and they went down. Stop your wining about that.

If anyone wants to complain about Seabrook's elbow, they should watch the 400 trials where the same Princeton guy threw Goggins back out of the pack with an elbow. He tried the same thing on Seabrook, and Seabrook threw him off.

Hardly, Seabrook cut in and impeded another runner which is grounds for a DQ, it's not about elbowing. That the officials turned a blind eye to it doesn't mean that cutting in and obstructing another runner is legal! Also in the women's 800 the Brown runner was pushed from behind so no cutting-in was involved.

nobody wrote:

In fact, it kinda reminds me of Donal taking out Slicko at Dartmouth way back when.

Holy shit...that was the most ridiculous race I've ever seen. I was watching that race as a senior in HS, heading to a Heps school, and that race conpletely convinced me that - academics aside - running in the Heps would be an absolutely incredible experience.

steve mucchetti wrote:

you're right, i ran terrible and wasn't in the race at all. my point was that i shouldn't have to slow down to avoid getting trampled during the last lap of my race, no matter how shitty i'm running

amen brother.

Exactly the point I was trying to make..All Ivy league schools do in fact readmit students who have taken semesters off for whatever reason..including academic and training for the Olympics...I had read that Tora had illness in the family or something of that nature and that is why he took one year off jumping.

Incindentally....readmitting students who take time off...even for academic reasons is true for many academic institutions...including MEDICAL SCHOOL...

Anyone know where any photos have been posted from the meet (other than the one link which was posted where not many photos have yet been posted)? Distance races especially...

Neuropsychiatrist wrote:

...readmitting students who take time off...even for academic reasons is true for many academic institutions...including MEDICAL SCHOOL...

The med school thing is a bit disturbing. More reason I don't trust 100% doctors. Theres crap in every profession.

I don't trust all doctors either..and I am one. however,it has nothing to do whether they took time off during school..even for academic reasons...

At some point everyone realizes that many things happen in a person's life that affect what they do and how they perform in the classroom, on the track, at work and in life. Mistakes are made, redemption is found but certainly not always... second chances are given and taken..(We are not in China where you have only one chance and if you blow it..you're history)

You would be surprised how many Physicians..possibly even your own...who may have had some bumps and bruises in their chosen profession..They may have repeated years or classes in Medical school, gone to their "second choice medical school", repeated years in Residency, switched residencies if they were not getting promoted, took their specialty boards several times before passing etc..etc....yet still are outstanding doctors...

You would be surprised how many outstanfing medical students from teh best schools who sailed through medical school yet were dog meat as residents..absolutely useless..They acted entitled, smarter than everyone else, lazy..etc..

You would be surprised how many American Foreign grad who could not get into Amerincan medical schools who were hardworking, intelligent and in general..good doctors because they had no pretentions..

It is called Humility gentleman...

The 2005 Indoor Heps Championship was a super meet. Both Cornell teams performed very well. My hat goes off to the coaches and their athletes. The fact is that many teams did well at the meet. It was one of the best Heps that I can remember. Every event was deep and competitive. I have a great deal of respect for the coaches and athletes in this league. The Let's Run web site replies really do an injustice to the hard working coaches and athletes from all of the schools. Lane violations, officials calls, good and bad performances are all what championship meets are about. Princeton had won 8 out of the past 9 indoor champs. Cornell is now on a good run. I was pleased to see so many outstanding frosh in the finals. Our league is healthy and moving forward. In the future let's talk about the positive. The outdoor champs should be great. Coach Fred Samara, Princeton

steve mucchetti wrote:

mmm....donuts wrote:

what wejo meant was no one of consequence was still on the track

you're right, i ran terrible and wasn't in the race at all. my point was that i shouldn't have to slow down to avoid getting trampled during the last lap of my race, no matter how shitty i'm running

Oops I didn't think about people coming around the final turn where all the Penn people started their run to the finish, so guys scoring had to get out of the way. It would have been sad for Tully but I could see some meet officials DQing Penn or doing something. You can't just storm the track while a race is going on.

As for the Penn team storming the track, sounds like sour grapes by someone. A guy who isn't even the best distance runner on his team wins what appears to be one of the most exciting indoor distance races in recent years over a 4 flat miler who also won XC and you don't expect his teammates to get excited? Please. That race would have been like Rojo or Wejo taking out Jason Stewart or Sam Wilbur back in the mid-90's. In fact, it kinda reminds me of Donal taking out Slicko at Dartmouth way back when.[/quote]

Rojo or Wejo taking out Jason Stewart. That's a funny one. Dude was a man among boys. 8:03 and 13:50 (followed by a DMR anchor around 4:05 like an hour later) in the same meet at indoor HEPS.