"Andriol"
Hamilton started off on testosterone, a "red egg" as the cyclists referred to the pill, but soon graduated on to the more powerful EPO - erythropoietin - which he and his US Postal Service team-mates dubbed Edgar, after Edgar Allen Poe.
"Andriol"
Hamilton started off on testosterone, a "red egg" as the cyclists referred to the pill, but soon graduated on to the more powerful EPO - erythropoietin - which he and his US Postal Service team-mates dubbed Edgar, after Edgar Allen Poe.
it's not rocket science to see that kenyan's were made to run fast!
over the years on letsrun...I have probably read 100 reason's why they are good....all those reason's combined is the "real" reason they are faster, better, etc ect....!
do a search...look up old threads and posts, it's all explained at great length!
spot on. you are biochemist right?
or an MD?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Does anyone know when blood testing was introduced in out of competition test in Europe/America
As far as I know it would only be urine until relatively recently. At the time all the middle/ long distance records were set I think they were only doing urine samples over here
Whenever you ask for facts on here rather than opinion it all goes quiet
Does anyone know the score on when blood testing was introduced in out of competion tests?
d'voidoffunk wrote:
My point is that you can't have a doping control system where athletes from one country are required to be available for surprise testing, submit samples and inform testers constantly of their whereabouts while at the same time having another country where athletes can do whatever the hell they want without these requirements. Athletes should be treated with some consistency. This consistency becomes particularly important when those atheletes who have been allowed to do whatever the hell they want start to completely dominate major competitions without a single positive test of the major stars. This is an obvious point and not really debatable.
But what you're writing isn't the case. Athletes in the top ranking are held to the same standards of accountability irrespective to their nationality or residence. The only difference is that some countries (the ones with money) have designated independent agencies which administer the test, while most have them done directly via the IAAF.
If you think I'm incorrect, download the testing statistics and you'll the records for who was tested out-of-competition and with what frequency.
Left Said Fred wrote:
But what you're writing isn't the case. Athletes in the top ranking are held to the same standards of accountability irrespective to their nationality or residence. The only difference is that some countries (the ones with money) have designated independent agencies which administer the test, while most have them done directly via the IAAF.
If you think I'm incorrect, download the testing statistics and you'll the records for who was tested out-of-competition and with what frequency.
There is a difference between "out of competition" testing and "out of season" testing. The Telegraph article says that most of the big names were tested in Kenya for the FIRST time. This constitutes out of season testing, in other words the winter months when most of the training and PED taking would take place.
We have Ventolin now back tracking some what by stating he has known all along that Kenyan athletes haven't been tested in Kenya (out of season) due to costs. Now you're saying something ( although a little vague with the precise terms you are using) which contradicts both of these accounts!
And you wonder why so many people on here are sceptical? You give further evidence of a lack of transparency.
This was the first time they had their BLOOD tested out of competition in Kenya. There has been out of competition urine testing in Kenya. I don't know when it started but it's been going on for the past few years anyway.
When an American athlete gets an out of competition test is it usually blood or urine, both or random?
The athletes were told the testers were coming, they volunteered after being pre warned of testing... who is kidding who?!
I wasn't aware of that and it does defeat the purpose.
The point of my post was to show that there has been out of competition testing but it's all been urine testing. The athletes aren't notified of these.
How many of the of the out of competition tests in America/Europe are blood tests?
deanouk wrote:
There is a difference between "out of competition" testing and "out of season" testing.
Ok Dean, show me where on the quarterly whereabouts form there is a distinction between "out of competition" and "out of season." What's out of season for a marathon runner? How about an Aussie?
Go look at the out of competition testing statistics and you'll see all the big name East Africans there. And the vast majority train in their home nations which mean that the testers go to Kenya and Ethiopia to test them.
People are skeptical because they're uninformed or misinformed. It's just astounding and it speaks to your ignorance on the subject that you think there has never been out of competition testing in East Africa. John Ngugi was banned for refusing an out of competition test decades ago so clearly, out of competition testing has been going on in Africa for a long time.
To reiterate the point, this is the first out of competition blood testing that has taken place there. Urine tests are a lot easier to administer so they have always been the go to. And I'm all for this additional blood testing, in Africa and everywhere else.
Cheaters Cheaters Cheaters wrote:
Doesn't mean crap. LA passed 10,000 tests. Rupp passed and still gets a pass.
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I doubt any East African chimp, or any nignog for that matter, has the kind of power, pull and influence over our sport that Lance had over biking.
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I agree.
Missed this earlier
There was no impromptu testing. All the 32 athletes had been notified that they were required to present themselves either in Nairobi or Eldoret to undergo the tests, which were arranged and conducted by the IAAF," said Kiplagat.
They have the right combination of muscle fiber type, body type, hard working community that is passionate and supportive of running.
The likelyhood of systematic doping in Africa does not add up, and it is not hard to believe that Africans can outperform caucasions because of body type alone.[/quote]
Ridiculous! Before doping I remember guys like Shorter, Rogers, Prefontaine, Coghlan, John Treacy regularly thrashing your Africans....You complement their body type, hard work etc. but the sad things is they suck, absolutely suck, at every sport except distance running....AND they only excel at distance running with PEDS.