Lancey Poo failed drug tests. Game...Set....Match

Thanks, I guess time will tell on the samples... it's been unclear to me also, since early on in the investigation French police, French Cycling Federation, and AFLD all pledged complete cooperation with DOJ and USADA... so I wouldn't be surprised if some samples were transferred via full cooperation [if they had any]... unless all samples were at UCI labs... confusing...

For those following this LA thread... FYI, the deciding stage of the Vuelta is in progress right now... this is the deciding stage, with two cat1 climbs and a hc climb to the finish... they're through ~150km of 185km... just started final hc climb... contador needs to break rodriguez to gain 22 seconds he's behind... live streaming coverage on

http://www.lavuelta.com/12/en/online/index.html?e=16

really?????? wrote:

I love how you said, "being reported". That about sums it all up. We haven't seen squat from the USADA.

I don't give a crap if anyone in pro sports dopes because you can't test accurately for it.

Yes, there are a bunch of jealous haters...hell, just look at this message board? Well over a week after he decided not to fight the charges, a$$holes on here are still posting stories like it was yesterday. Yes, you see there is a lot of hate, an lots of accusations, and no one has seen squat with regard to the tests he "failed". It is all "reported". everyone needs to STFU. While you all have the right to an opinion, I hope he sues the fvck out of LRC for allowing these posts to remain on here.

Lance won't sue, he's afraid of taking the stand and perjuring himself. The litmus test will be if he sues Hamilton after the "tell-all" book is released this week. Hint: he won't sue.

With regards to evidence, the USADA has 3 others going to arbitration. Did you really expect them to release all of the evidence immediately? Why don't you email Tygart demanding to see what the USADA has against Lance?

"you can't test accurately for it" - so is this going to be the basis of your defense of Lance when the evidence becomes public?

see, they haven't released anything you assume he is guilty. Heaven forbid you ever sit on a jury and decide someone's fate.

You know damn well Tygart won't release anything to me, maybe because they know what they have won't stand up to scrutiny if released. hopefully someday they will. Note I never ever said he didn't do anything wrong, but you can't just accuse someone because someone else said they did without seeing any evidence. I will say even if he did, it doesn't matter to me, and I fail to see why everyone hates on him so much. Oh, they "hear he is a dick". They "hear" he does this or that. Its all bull$hit.

really?????? wrote:

see, they haven't released anything you assume he is guilty. Heaven forbid you ever sit on a jury and decide someone's fate.

You know damn well Tygart won't release anything to me, maybe because they know what they have won't stand up to scrutiny if released. hopefully someday they will. Note I never ever said he didn't do anything wrong, but you can't just accuse someone because someone else said they did without seeing any evidence. I will say even if he did, it doesn't matter to me, and I fail to see why everyone hates on him so much. Oh, they "hear he is a dick". They "hear" he does this or that. Its all bull$hit.

At this point he pleaded no contest to the charges from USADA, which is tantamount to a guilty plea. So I don't think anybody is assuming he is guilty. It is a proven fact.

I hope all the evidence comes out too. I believe it will. I do not hate Lance but I am a huge fan of clean sport, so I do take satisfaction when people who have cheated are caught.

Mr. Obvious wrote:I do not hate Lance but I am a huge fan of clean sport, so I do take satisfaction when people who have cheated are caught.

^This. I'm not sure why the apologists struggle with this so much.

No contest isn't an admissikn of guilt and is certainly not "proof". They even have a law that someone can plead not guilty but admit that based on the circumstances they would most likely be found guilty for whatever reasons.

If you are a fan of clean sport, tell me exactly what sport is clean??? Nothing? I didn't think so.

really?????? wrote:

No contest isn't an admissikn of guilt and is certainly not "proof". They even have a law that someone can plead not guilty but admit that based on the circumstances they would most likely be found guilty for whatever reasons.

If you are a fan of clean sport, tell me exactly what sport is clean??? Nothing? I didn't think so.

Well, when you do not contest the charges the verdict is guilty. This is true even if you do not admit guilt. If you enter an Alford plea this also results in a verdict of guilty, even though you don't admit it. A conviction at trial, and Alford plea, and a no contest all end up with the same result. If you wish to hang your hat on those distinctions, be my guest, they all end up with Lance being guilty.

So there is the distinction then of being found guilty without actually being guilty. I am cool with that.

I do realize, it and probably should have written it, thanks for the the point out though ROJO. It is incredibly hard to take any doping agency seriously if it is doing little to nothing about current doping and their only claim to fame is a witch-hunt, which most people find a waste of time and money. It is not going to stop Lance from doping. It is going to do absolutely nothing. They need to do something about doping in current sports, and until they are testing football, baseball, soccer and basketball, then they are a worthless joke.

armygggoat wrote:

It is incredibly hard to take any doping agency seriously if it is doing little to nothing about current doping.

# USADA sanctioned athletes by year:

2012 -- 25

2011 -- 31

2010 -- 38

2009 -- 21

2008 -- 26

USADA Anti-Doping Tests Developed:

EPO

rh-EPO

Homologous Blood Transfusions

Biological Passport

Hemoglobin/Reticulocyte Ratio Test

It is not going to stop Lance from doping. It is going to do absolutely nothing.

It's certainly stopped him from competing in any future events the utilize WADA code; of interest to him it means no more ITU affiliated triathlons. He can dope all he wants for the local Piggly Wiggly triathlon or the local Krispy Kreme criterium.

They need to do something about doping in current sports, and until they are testing football, baseball, soccer and basketball, then they are a worthless joke.

Goodwill might as well not clothe local needy if they can't provide clothes to all the people of the world; homeless shelters might as well not feed local hungry if they can't feed the starving in Africa; local police might as well not arrest local drug dealers if they can't bust the Columbian drug cartels... find something big and round, and shove it in your ignorant pie-hole

That was both a very aggressive and very angry post. I don't see how it helps either way. I think you could find 26 guys on a single NFL team that are doping. Please don't call me ignorant, I am very aware that the group is developing tests, but they are testing non-revenue generating sports. It is like taxing non-profits. I am glad they are clearing out some dopers of course, and of course cleaning up track and field.

Tor wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:I do not hate Lance but I am a huge fan of clean sport, so I do take satisfaction when people who have cheated are caught.

^This. I'm not sure why the apologists struggle with this so much.

Same here.

Lance is great, but he took that step into the dark world of cheating and he should be shunned because of that.

You have it right on. If challenged they would be thrown out in a heartbeat.

They make themselves look like fools when make statements like this.

Back Wash wrote:

You have it right on. If challenged they would be thrown out in a heartbeat.

They make themselves look like fools when make statements like this.

Lance can challenge them if he wants, I guess. He won't, but he could.

Ramzi was caught with samples that were retested later, as were quite a few others. I haven't seen you crying for them.

armygggoat wrote:

I do realize, it and probably should have written it, thanks for the the point out though ROJO. It is incredibly hard to take any doping agency seriously if it is doing little to nothing about current doping and their only claim to fame is a witch-hunt, which most people find a waste of time and money. It is not going to stop Lance from doping. It is going to do absolutely nothing. They need to do something about doping in current sports, and until they are testing football, baseball, soccer and basketball, then they are a worthless joke.

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