canadian ooo wrote:
No. Read the rules. Sheila had her opportunity. Why do you think she was traveling all over the USA trying to qualify in the first place? No problem, she is a great runner and she and Jordan Hasay will carry on the legacy.
Wow. What's with the hostile reply?
bzzrt wrote:
Or maybe Canada has the worst of both worlds where they exclude people in some events through subjective application of higher or lower criteria to athletes in some events (like who gets to be a "rising star") but then excluding people in other events by rigidly following a US style selection process.
We have a winner!
for reals wrote:
as a former NCAA coach i sat in on the Canadian National rules meeting when I was up recruiting at Canadian Cross. I was shocked with their rules and lack of desire to send their best athletes to international meets.
It really is like they are trying to send as few qualified runners or not.
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an AC official got wind of this, FLEW to California and physically prevented Sheila from getting on the start line
Post of the day
and in typical AC fashion the official had 3 sprint coaches along to help chase down Sheila. Send Sheila.
Actually you are wrong. In 2008- the girl who won American trials only had a b standard the other two in the top 3 had a's. They sent the winner with only a b. check your facts.
Here's an interesting situation: my friend has dual citizenship, both Canadian and a South American country. I don't want to ID him (not that many good Canadian runners would fit the details), so I'm not naming the country. Let's just say they're not a distance powerhouse.
By 2016, he has a very good chance of having the B or even the A in his event. If he is the best Canadian runner in this event, but like Reid doesn't satisfy the AC criteria (A + B in the allowable period), would it be wrong for him to represent his "other" country?
I asked him about this after I read about Reid. He was born and lived his whole life in Canada, and is against the idea since he wants to represent his country. But what if your country won't send you even though (1) you're the best they've got and (2) qualified according to the IAAF?
If I was Reid and had citizenship somewhere else, I'd look into it.
How would you define 'truly world class' - she is ranked in the top 30. What else does this girl need to do to prove herself. The whole point of the 'rising star' designation- is to get athletes experience who are expected to go on and succeed in running on a 'world class level'. They aren't expected to medal. That is why they are called rising stars. This isn't rocket science. Sarah Wells achieved the rising star status and she is likely not going to medal. The point is that this designation exists. Sheila Reid is 22 years old-and considering the success she has already had and her age (consider the 'peak' for middle-distance runners tends to be in early 30s) it stands to reason that she will improve and there is a good chance that she could medal in 2016 in Rio and beyond.
She wasn't 'travelling all over the US'. She is a student and surely has academic as well as NCAA obligations. She was in only 1 fast 5000m race- in which she achieved a b standard- 3 seconds off from the a. She also ran in 2 fast 1500m races- 4 days apart- in which she achieved 2 b standards. This girl was not as you say travelling all over the US- every fast race she was in due to time constraints- she made a standard. Do some research before making outlandish statements that you have absolutely no authority or knowledge to make. There are many historical precedents of countries sending people who win trials and have a b standard.
Facts are immaterial to some people.
early mid twenties wrote:
If he is the best Canadian runner in this event, but like Reid doesn't satisfy the AC criteria (A + B in the allowable period), would it be wrong for him to represent his "other" country?
Guess it depends on if his real motivation is "represent his country" or to just compete in the Olympics, regardless of whose flag he bears.
If he was born and lived his whole life in Canada, how exactly would he be "representing" some South American country? Would that be what drives him or would it be simply getting to run in the Olympics?
Besides, don't you have to declare change of allegiances (for international competition purposes) well in advance?
early mid twenties wrote:
Here's an interesting situation: my friend has dual citizenship, both Canadian and a South American country. I don't want to ID him (not that many good Canadian runners would fit the details), so I'm not naming the country. Let's just say they're not a distance powerhouse.
By 2016, he has a very good chance of having the B or even the A in his event. If he is the best Canadian runner in this event, but like Reid doesn't satisfy the AC criteria (A + B in the allowable period), would it be wrong for him to represent his "other" country?
I asked him about this after I read about Reid. He was born and lived his whole life in Canada, and is against the idea since he wants to represent his country. But what if your country won't send you even though (1) you're the best they've got and (2) qualified according to the IAAF?
If I was Reid and had citizenship somewhere else, I'd look into it.
Yes, you can love your Birth Country and run for someone else. This is a Biz decision. The Canadian/Italian... Canadian/French ... hockey players do it all the time. They still love Canada.
111 wrote:
Actually you are wrong. In 2008- the girl who won American trials only had a b standard the other two in the top 3 had a's. They sent the winner with only a b. check your facts.
Shannon Rowbury had the A standard in 2008 dude.
Trollist wrote:
111 wrote:Actually you are wrong. In 2008- the girl who won American trials only had a b standard the other two in the top 3 had a's. They sent the winner with only a b. check your facts.
Shannon Rowbury had the A standard in 2008 dude.
You can't send AAB teams this year anyway.
Trollist wrote:
111 wrote:Actually you are wrong. In 2008- the girl who won American trials only had a b standard the other two in the top 3 had a's. They sent the winner with only a b. check your facts.
Shannon Rowbury had the A standard in 2008 dude.
You are arguing about the wrong year. In 2004 Carrie Tollefson went to Athens as the Trials winner and left A qualifiers at home.
An American wrote:
Trollist wrote:Shannon Rowbury had the A standard in 2008 dude.
You are arguing about the wrong year. In 2004 Carrie Tollefson went to Athens as the Trials winner and left A qualifiers at home.
Correct.
thoseb... wrote:
Sheila actually entered herself in a fast 5,000m without telling AC, as she was getting worried about meeting the qualifying criteria she'd read, and an AC official got wind of this, FLEW to California and physically prevented Sheila from getting on the start line,
I find this hard to believe. Is there some way you can give proof? If this is true, she has a legitimate complaint.
What about Tremaine Harris in the 200m? He ran 20.22 on July 8th (A+ standard and 0.05 off the Cdn record), won the Canadian Champs, also ran a B and was a Junior last year.
He definitely deserves to go...
Probably more so than Reid.
Actually also ran an A in the semi of NACAC and 2 Bs earlier in the year on top of his A+ in the NACAC final...
That's what happens when you don't let your national champion participate in the Olympics. Remember that we don't have too many good sprinters in Canada right now...
If I was able to vote, I would give him a special rising star status...
"Middle distance races have never been run faster thna A standard" 2004 Canadian Trials had BOTH Elmore and Douma-Hussar run A standard in finishing 1-2.