Jordan Hasay running career will end after college unless she moves up to 10000m

I would really like to see this so-called "expert" byebyebaby admit to the fact that he/she cannot add or subtract (claiming Jordan is 22 years old?). Can you imagine this kid's parents trying to correct his/her fourth grade homework lesson?

The MonBRO Doctrine wrote:

Yes massa wrote:

Aren't the top girls in the 10k sub or near sub 4:00 runners also? So what better chance does Hasay have in the 10k?

No.

Dibaba and Defar aren't that fast over 1500??

Dibaba doesn't have a 1500 PR that I can find, and Defar's is 4:02.

The MonBRO Doctrine wrote:

Dibaba doesn't have a 1500 PR that I can find, and Defar's is 4:02.

4:02 doesn't count as near sub 4? Especially for someone that doesn't run that event all the time?

all of her track PR's are faster than jenny barringers as a junior in college.

I'm not responding to any one in particular, I don't see how to post otherwise.

My question: No matter who is correct, can I still be a Hasay fan? Just because the other team is ahead and will probably win the Super Bowl, I like to stick to my team. I am a Hasay fan 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th.

That might be true if you defined ability as a linear relationship to time which almost no one does. People view running performances on roughly a logarithmic basis meaning the amount of improvement needed to get a little faster increases as you get faster. In a linear relationship the difference between 8:10 and 8:00 and 4:10 and 4:00 is the same but no views an improvement of the former to be nearly as impressive or showing an as much of an increase in ability. Running a time of zero would in a sense be infinite fitness, so there is no limit from that stand point. I do not think there is a limit just significant diminishing returns for more work. With the limits years of training, injuries and obvious genetic factors people have some kind of limit in a sense but for almost everyone if they run one time it is possible for them to run a little faster.

What "obvious" genetic factors?

Hmmmm......running a time of zero, everyone would be screwing themselves. Not sure we would all want that, although in today's world some would enjoy.

fghrunner is correct. All of Jordan's PR's are faster than Barringers at this same age. One must also take into account the fact that Barringer was a year older than Jordan in her junior year, at the same "junior" college age year as Jordan is today. Then I believe Barringer also red-shirted due to injury (or whatever) which gave her an ADDITIONAL year which allowed her to set all the collegiate records.

Can you imagine Jordan red-shirting a year (or two?) and then coming back for those years? Imagine the many records she would set?

I agree here with another poster. That is, Jordan can quit college tomorrow and still procure a very lucrative professional contract. She has given to the running world like no other athlete has given in a very long time. It has been exciting.

Let's watch this young lady and cheer her on as she runs herself into the record books.

The only one of them that have won an Olympic or World medal is Deena Drossin. I actually like Jordan Hasay and think she is a very humble and intelligent young lady; however, that doesn't mean I can't offer my opinion concerning her progression. Emily Infield and Katie Flood both are around the same age as Jordan or little younger and neither accomplished as much as she did in high school or the first year in college. When you look at Emily, Kate, and Jordan progression in college in the 1500m/3000m they have lowered their personal best by larger margins then Jordan.

Jordan is always near the front of the NCAA races and has gotten outkicked MORE in NCAA 1500m/Mile/3000m/D Medley Championships races then she wins. It's just a fact, yes she can improve her 1500m time but due to her inability to kick at the end of a race points her future as a 5000m/10000m athlete. Susan Reid is more of the 1500m/5000m type while Jordan is more of a 5000m/10000m runner.

Emily Infeld is a year and a half older than Jordan. It's Sheila Reid, not Susan.

Thank you very much for the corrections. Shelia Reid is more a 1500m/5000m type while Jordan Hasay is the 5000m/10000m type and would be benefical for her to move up to gain experience in what will eventually be her best events. Jordan Hasay was born in 1991 and Emily Infield was born in 1992 so how is the oldest of those two?

You continue to make mistakes byebyebaby. Infeld was born 3/21/1990. Now, please TAKE YOUR TIME and do the math. I know this is difficult to do, but you can do it. We're all rooting for you!

That's quite exciting...thanks for pointing this out. Here's an interesting article that I came across documenting Jenny's progression and how the redshirting allowed her to have a tremendous build-up, which led to all of the records.http://runningtimes.com/Print.aspx?articleID=18230Here's an excerpt:"Taking a BreakKnowing she needed a break after a long 2007-2008 season that culminated in the Olympics, Wetmore, CU assistant coach Heather Burroughs and Barringer agreed that Barringer needed a break and smartly decided she should redshirt the 2008 cross country season. Physically it would allow her to rebuild a base and return to the track as a whole new runner, but it would also set up the opportunity for Barringer to have one final season of cross country in 2009 without nemesis Sally Kipyego of Texas Tech, who was the only runner to beat Barringer at the 2006 and 2007 NCAA cross country championships. Barringer has closed the gap on Kipyego since her freshman year, but having the chance to come back after Kipyego had graduated was certainly enticing.Rising TalentBy the time Barringer stepped on the track during the 2009 indoor season, Wetmore knew she was a completely different runner. With three and a half years of progression under her belt and a revamped aerobic base, Barringer was primed to run fast times. But no one knew how fast or the range of events she was capable of running, mostly because she had primarily focused on the 3,000m steeplechase. An NCAA record 4:25.91 in the indoor mile, a collegiate record and an NCAA indoor 3,000m title and an NCAA indoor 5,000m record (15:01.70) were just the start of things to come.Legitimate StarNothing cemented Barringer’s status as America’s next golden girl like her aggressive 1,500m race at the Prefontaine Classic in May. Her second-place, 3:59.90 performance in the nationally televised meet not served as her coming out party among U.S. running fans, but it also serve as a motivating wake-up call for other American middle-distance runners. That’s not to say that Anna Willard, Christin Wurth-Thomas, Shannon Rowbury, Maggie Vessey and Morgan Uceny wouldn’t have had great track seasons anyway, but Barringer’s at the Prefontaine meet was certainly a seminal performance for what turned out to be quite a year for American women."Also, the OP recently compared Jordan's high school and college times to Emily Infeld's and Katie Flood's and concluded that because Jordan isn't progressing as quickly as them, she's sputtering out. I would contend, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that Emily and Katie were perhaps undertrained in high school. Once they entered college and began heavier workloads, the times rapidly dropped. While Jordan certainly put up amazing times at a very young age, she had an excellent coach (Mando Siqueiros) who brought her along. Because Jordan started at such a high level, I think she can be placed in the 'slow and steady progression' category, similar to Galen Rupp under Salazar. I suspect she'll continue to incrementally drop her times in all of her events.

Which is all well and good, but NO ONE sees Galen Rupp as a 1500m runner (see World indoor results).

Unless Sheila Reid gets down close to 2 minutes for 800m (PR 2.06?), she is more the 5000m type (with a good kick) than the 1500m type. Hasay is likely in the 5000m/10000m range as well (which was the OP's assertion I believe).

Does anyone really think that she is a Barringer type versus a Flanagan? I hope that she does continue to progress, but also not waste too much time trying to be something that she is not. I coached a girl who spent years (as a 60 flat 400m runner) trying to be a middle-distance star runner (800/1500) because someone (not me) told her that speed is everything and that you can get fast just because you want to (I want to be as fast as Usain Bolt, but that doesn't mean it can happen), and at the end of the day her lack of endurance preparation left her wanting at both ends.

I'm not speculating as to what her best event in the future is going to be. I specifically left that out. My main point is that Jordan is in the 'slow and steady progression' category thus far in her career, and is not "at a standstill."

Yes massa wrote:

The MonBRO Doctrine wrote:

Dibaba doesn't have a 1500 PR that I can find, and Defar's is 4:02.

4:02 doesn't count as near sub 4? Especially for someone that doesn't run that event all the time?

I'll give you near. But most of the top women have much slower 1500 PRs; several in the top 25 have slower PRs than Jordan Hasay.

I am anxious to see what Jordan will do when she nolonger has to maintain her 4.0 GPA. Her professional career may really take off once her academics are behind her as she has put so much energy into her studies.