This argument is really about officials messing up and people breaking an American record of 11.01??? Holy cow just run the race again. I could pull four old hobos off the street and they could break that record.
This argument is really about officials messing up and people breaking an American record of 11.01??? Holy cow just run the race again. I could pull four old hobos off the street and they could break that record.
no, actually you couldnt. not even 20 year old hobos, forgot masters hobos
nhe meet is over. nhe season is probably over for these guys
OK, you get 4 hobos to run the dmr and they are on record pace until one hobo is misguided by an official and passes off a lap early! You'd have four upset hobos on your hands then. So, you've only made the matter worse!
Well, then you have a BUM FIGHT and the makings of a million dollar industry.I would pay to see it. Everyone would. That's what track needs----> More bum fights!
la la land wrote:
OK, you get 4 hobos to run the dmr and they are on record pace until one hobo is misguided by an official and passes off a lap early! You'd have four upset hobos on your hands then. So, you've only made the matter worse!
ummmm wrote:
This argument is really about officials messing up and people breaking an American record of 11.01??? Holy cow just run the race again. I could pull four old hobos off the street and they could break that record.
You could pull 4 homos off the street, and it wouldn't matter. You could pull 4 homos off the street and send them to the USATF Indoor Nationals, and it wouldn't matter.
Once again, there IS NO DMR RECORD. Neither USATF nor World Masters Athletics lists such a record for such an event. Masters Indoors has not such event on the schedule.
Maybe the so-called athletes that got "cheated" out of this so-called record that doesn't exist might try running a real event that administering organizations actually accept.
Stop giving Steve a hard time. They might as well have broken the world record in the beer mile.
The meet was run in Mass., probably the same officials that work the HS meets, no surprise they screwed up, happens often. Problem is, they always think they are right, will never admit a screw up and always blame the athletes. The meet is put on for the athletes, not for a bunch of old man to pick up beer money.
I have seen these officials scrwew up a 4 x 8, putting my teams third leg on the track, she tried to get off knowing there was another lap, he screamed in her face and threatened to DQ her, the funny thing is they never admitted they missed a lap, time was a meet record for three years, the HS frosh girl split 2:13 on a flat 11 mile to the lap track, never broke 2:35 before or after that entire year.
There are countless more examples, but it is not worth running a bunch of old men through the mud.
No only are the officials old men but the entire USATF organization acts like an old man. They are not interested in running a modern track meet so back off and let them and their sport die its natural death. Just look at their out-of-date website! The world has passed them by. Let them sleep. Move on!
Glory days forever wrote:
Opportunity of a lifetime? For what, a master's record? Please, master's competition is a joke. Get over it.
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Really?
You can 14:10 on the roads now?
The National Masters championship did.
You can run under 16 minutes into your 50's?
Plenty of U.S. men in their 50's broke 16 minutes in 2010 on record.
I saw Gary Nixon of CT. run 14:42 at age 45 at the Providence Downtowner in the early 90's, and then break the course record for the USATF 10 mi championship, by running under 51 minutes on a very very hilly course.
He would've creamed you punk.
Hell, I'd cream you punk!
Go back to your video game or WNBA. Whichever!
We didn't have those, and didn't stay inside.
You're soft. Your generation is soft.
Take a few elbows to your teeth in xc in the 70's, and keep your mouth shut afterwards.
The new soft generation, like you, would cry all day.
Line up pretty boy!!
Come play with us!!!
Hehehe
Does anyone know who the official was?
Also the 5k mens winner came out of the "slow" heat because of a seed error.
lets have more 5Ks indoors!!!! wrote:
There aren't many 5Ks to race at indoors. BU mini meets have no 5K, but maybe that's a good thing. Harvard Open didnt have one this year. GBTC invite doesnt have one, and BU Valentine limited the 5K field to only those <15:30. So it appears the only options it appears were Terrier Classic and USATF-NEs and one early season meet at Reggie.
While the fields aren't always that competitive, there are a number of meets at Tufts, Brandeis, and MIT that typically have the 5k If you didn't make the cut for Valentines, though, then the level of competition at most of these meets should be fine.
Great words Coach D.
Not that it matters but there is a mark out there. The race is irrelevant at this point. But if you were a fan as I am. It was fun to see a group of runners put on a great effort. Their goal was to win the race. Which they technically accomplished.
They were excited to participate. Why else would they want to train as hard as athletes much much younger than them. They love the sport and have just as much and even more sacrifices to get to the fitness level that they are in. I am assuming you could understanding/ appreciate that.
They brought a boat load of fans/ family who were into this race as well as the ones that preceded it. Although it means nothing to you. It meant a lot regardless of the outcome, to those who supported their efforts. So why rain on their parade.
I truly hope that these athletes do not read this message board or any other just because it is comments from people who feel the need to just knock others down. For what reasons i do not know.
The 4 pages of posts most likely are not coing from those athletes anyways. So stop being so bent out of shape about it and condeming those particular athletes.
I havent seen a post knocking Steve V. and his efforts. So stop kissing Steve's Arse and creating this perception that you have always had his back. Ironically, you are most likely the type that would/ and probably has back stabbed him when things didnt go your way... anyways.
Oh as far as your beer relay reference. Very Cute.
Honestly, I would have no problem teaming up with them to take on your best foursome. Masters or not.
very cute idea isnt it.
the beer mile wr is actually tracked officially and is quite prestigious and difficult to break. last i checked it was around 5:20 using glass bottles which requires 70 sec laps and 10 second chugs.
burn him alive for that mistake if you want, but really what it comes down to is a lack of time and effort to prepare for the meet properly by all officials. if usatf stopped having their annual meeting in hawaii and started using our membership fees in a way that helped support the sport then maybe we'd have less of these problems. bottom line usatf isn't getting my money anymore cause they don't do shit.
Being the guy wearing the meet director's hat, I'll step up here and address several topics in no particularly order.
Officials
The official who was working the relay zone feels very bad. I'll leave it at that. Miscounted laps has happened at all levels of events over the years and it will happen again somewhere, particularly in any race where there is lapping multiple times in the field (as with this DMR). And no, I'm not trivializing it. Will I ask that official to work meets in the future? Absolutely.
The meet (and any meet of 4-5-6 hours) needs to move along, even if bruskly sometimes, to stay on a schedule. Even getting paid, officials may lose a level of customer service at a five hour meet. Officials being a bit aggressive is sometimes the only way a meet doesn't expand another hour or two. I can attest that there's not a huge number of officials waiting line to work for a day for maybe $50.
Check in
For both this and the GBTC meet, check-in has been at the same location for years in that facility, and event follows event. The concept of checking in for an event so sections can be set up is still foreign to some participants. Picking up a bib number does not equate to checking in.
This meet and the GBTC have about 10-15% no-shows, and not evenly divided - so athletes check in and sections are seeded to be relatively evenly sized so there are not sections of 4 in the 800, or lanes 1 and 6 in consecutive 200's. Scratching goes across all events. Clerking is done as efficiently as possible.
On the comment that BU meet heat assignments are "done far ahead of time", being one of the clerks there for years, the fact is that some later sections of a race are still getting their section and lane after the first section has started their race.
The 5000 ran 2 sections because runners checked in after one healthy-sized section had been seeded (after the women were already running, so under 15 minutes before the race). So do we tell those late check-ins, or those claiming to be entered when they're not on the list (when in fact we later find they were not entered in that event) that they are not running? Sure, and then we're the jerks. We add them, we now we have to go to 2 sections - primarily to aid lap counting - and the 2nd, less fast section is pissed at the clerks.
And, no, the winner did not come out of section 2 because of a seed error. He had hip 1 for the first section (or what would ave been the only section if there was only one) and did not get to the start. But he still got to run.
That check-in scenario replayed many times. And there were few if any times that the athlete was told they could not participate; a section and lane was found for everyone.
Results
The initially posted 3000 men's first section were wrong - true. That Coolrunning post even noted at the top that results may have some errors. Something happened to that race results file and can't find an explanation what. But the error was fixed as soon as the picture could be reviewed. The (several) coaches bringing out the point were cordial, helpful (offering hand-times to match against), and appreciative when the correction was made. One or two mis-identified runners showed up in results because hip numbers were unreadable as put on, or pulled off, and were easily solved. Only one error was found in inputting the dozen field events from the written scoresheets.
Entry
Online entry needs payment at time of entry, because it's an entry fee, not a participation fee. And not many online systems that exist allow for payment at time of entry, for a tiered payment system, and have a download option that is in a format that can be neatly dropped into HyTek Meet Manager, the standard program for TF meets.
Online entry will be done in some fashion in 2012, hopefully covering all aspects of individuals, teams, and clubs entry.
The meet organization walks the fine line between being accommodating and a-holes. Try to be accommodating with day of event entry and we see many of the same cast of characters who just decide to wait til meet day. Not have a late entry option and we're not sympathetic to athletes who "just found out about the meet". People call about not being able to enter on time due to no online entry, yet they call about this fact after the deadline would have been over for online entry as well.
Or some just decide to show up on event day because they can (til 12 noon, not minutes before each event on the schedule). These are the entries that will likely be entered in a rush and maybe with incorrect seed times.
So, another thing that's been decided for the future; no day of event entry, probably closing 3 or 4 days ahead.
I like to think that overall this event and New England open programs are a cut above other areas and offer pretty good value to New England athletes. I don't see similar opportunities in many other places in the northeast either due to facility access or there simply not being facilities to hold meets. (On the comment about there being 5000's at Tufts, MIT, Brandeis - those meets are collegiate with a very small number of open competitors, if any, in any events; they are not open to all comers.)
Offer some constructive criticism on the meet operations and we'll see what can be done with it. And just because that input might not implemented 100% in a future meet doesn't mean it hasn't been considered.
Oh, and please differentiate between USATF as one big amorphous organization and what is done by associations on a local level. There are good and not so good points with both around the country.
That's my say; I won't be back on this thread to address any other specific questions.
Steve Vaitones