bifg wrote:
how havent u died from 140 miles yet?
Not yet. And this week(week 3) is a 120 mile week.
bifg wrote:
how havent u died from 140 miles yet?
Not yet. And this week(week 3) is a 120 mile week.
but still. why the hell are yu even doing this?
Thats already been explained. I love running, and attention I guess.
It seems to me a big unanswered question is what is the goal of the OP. Is his competitive horizon his college career and then he is going to move on to other things? If so, 140 mpw may very well be fine. Otherwise, the Salazar/Rupp approach is right if you truly want to reach your maximum lifetime potential. Basically limit yourself to 100 MPW, maximize the quality of the workouts, do speed work, and stay healthy. That will pay huge dividends by the time you are 30 and you will be better than those runners doing 120-140 in their early 20s. Of course ultimately it can depend what your body is telling you. Maybe for the OP 140 for awhile works for him.
distance guy wrote:
I don't know this OP from a hole in the wall, but anyone crapping on his plan is a piece of garbage. For those of you who've said he shouldn't do this with the insinuation he's not good enough to handle it or make it worth risking it - I find that logic backwards. He should be trying this BECAUSE he's not currently an all-american. Those of us with moderate abilities and times, should at a certain point, consider what might be possible if the boundaries are pushed beyond the norm. (and for the record, there are a lot of guys, many of them from another generation, who would argue that 120-140 is not "beyond the norm")
The other point I would argue is from the guy who stated this is a bad idea because the OP will lose speed, and then when he drops his mileage to regain the speed, he will lose the endurance. While I agree this increase in mileage should include some up-tempo stuff, to suggest that the benefits of 8-10 weeks of high mileage will be lost after dropping the mileage back down a bit, is lunacy. That's money in the bank, and it would take several months of pretty low mileage to lose those effects.
I've never been able to average mileage that high, but the few times I've come close, I've run better than at most other times in my life. So, to you, ian edwards - realize there is a risk involved. But if you're willing to take on that potential for injury, good luck to you and keep me/us updated on your progress.
ryan foreman wrote:
It seems to me a big unanswered question is what is the goal of the OP. Is his competitive horizon his college career and then he is going to move on to other things? If so, 140 mpw may very well be fine.
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My biggest goal is to run a marathon as fast as I can to hopefully qualify for an olympic trials.
i can tell u like attention. your gonna get a nice big stress fracture somewere and everyone on lets run is gonna make fun of you.
When?
ian edwards wrote:
ryan foreman wrote:It seems to me a big unanswered question is what is the goal of the OP. Is his competitive horizon his college career and then he is going to move on to other things? If so, 140 mpw may very well be fine.
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My biggest goal is to run a marathon as fast as I can to hopefully qualify for an olympic trials.
ryan foreman wrote:
When?
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Long time from now. Maybe qualify for the 2020 olympic trials. Maybe before that.
Yeah, go ahead and listen to this guy. Back down to your normal mileage and be mediocre just like everyone else.
Well, like I said, ultimately it depends on what your body tells you. But a quality 100 mpw seems like plenty of volume to me. I'm actually not a competitive runner and never was. But I have the knowledge of having a 40 yr old body and was athletic enough growing up that I know my body pretty well. I don't know specifically what you should do but I generally know that staying healthy over multiple years so you can keep on building off what you have developed is the winning ticket.
ian edwards wrote:
ryan foreman wrote:When?
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Long time from now. Maybe qualify for the 2020 olympic trials. Maybe before that.
Week 3. Unscheduled down week. 110 miles. 7:49 average for the week. No long run. Longest run was 14 miles. Did 14 miles twice. Took one day completely off due to intense foot pain from new shoes. I'm not running in them again. lol. Also got sick yesterday, so yesterdays and todays runs sucked.
ian edwards wrote:
This is what me and my teammates are doing this winter, for 8-12 weeks. Our pr's range from 25:30 to 26:30 for 8k. We want to run anywhere from 14:50 to 15:20 for 5k, and 31:00/32:00 for 10k.
That sounds luike a lot of fun
mileage like this is the only way to make big jumps, i f***ing hate it when posters say you'll end up getting a stress fracture or burnout, africans do this shit without even thinking about it and are way better overall, how can you put a number on what someone can or can't handle? Geb makes claims of doing 160mpw, tergat same, and other greats have well surpassed that. So you haters need to quit doing your pussy mileage and grow a pair to make mileage jumps like this for maximal improvement. Mileage is the only thing that carries on from year to year causing greater aerobic strength as they add up = better performances
My teammate averaged 117 miles a week for the last 10 weeks. He'd have averaged 120 a week if he didn't get sick and not be able to do a few runs one week. He only missed 2 days of running. He averaged ~80 during xc and this year and he's never been over 90 miles in a single week before this.
I averaged 101 per week for the last 10 weeks. I had 11 days of no running (not consecutively) to ward off my hamstring injury. And for those 4 weeks I was right around 70 per week.
We have a 3k coming up on the 26th.
The other guys on the team bailed on the high mileage plan.
Nice job.
Just wanted to chime in on a personal experience from last year. I did a lot higher mileage last track season than previous ones (average probably around mid to high 90s with a high of 143 as opposed to 75 for previous years) and got pretty decent results. I went from a 15:52 track 5000m PR to a 30:56 10000m. This was after a succession of 102, 101, 100, 56, 118, 143, 86, 96 weeks, the 10k during the last 96 week. I ran a 15:12 the week before the 10k and I closed the 10k with a 15:21.
I never believed in the 10% per week rule. I had 0 negative effects from going 56 to 118 to 143. Don't be afraid to take a down week and shoot straight back up.
Keep us updated on your track times this season. Good luck.
I just reread your first post. My PR in the 8k was 25:19 (twice) in the previous cross season before the track season I mentioned. You're fooling yourself if you limit yourself to just 31:00 this season. My 5000m PR that season was only 15:12 though, you should be able to break 15.
Thanks for the insight Chris. It's always good to get examples of high mileage working for people. About the 31:00 10K time; I might only get one shot at a 10k this season. So it's not like I can run it a few times to get the feel for it. It sucks because I know I'm better as the distance goes up.
I only ran the 10k once as well. I just said, screw it I'm going to try to run under 75 for each lap. I got 23rd in that race so there were a lot of people to pull me along. I put in a good 17 miler at 6:11 pace (progression from 7:00 down to 5:29) the Sunday before the race. I feel that really helped my mindset for the race.
"I think I have a stress fracture in my knee."
what came of that facebook update?
I suggest that every person reading this thread join running2win.com and see how Ian Edwards' running log stacks up to how he portrays it here, it's laughable.