Heps Track 2010

internet pen pals wrote:

how many indoor mile races are left for him to enter?

I'm sure they'll just have him take a crack at it on a 300m track.

I was there wrote:

Huber pulled up in the 4x4 at Penn State a few weeks ago. Seemed to be holding his hammy, so who knows if he'll be at Heps or not...

The second-hand info I received was "He felt it start to go and stopped. Nothing serious."

Random observation: I see that some of the Ivies have no meet scheduled this weekend.

Of course, different teams have different training patterns in the various events. But, in general, I think it's a mistake not to have a competition opportunity for the explosive-eventers: sprinters/hurdlers/jumpers/throwers. (No, not necessarily for *all* of them--different things work for different people, and there may be a few individuals who'd benefit from a weekend away from competing.)

Many head coaches, I know, come from a distance background. But although distance runners may--depending on their overall training plan--benefit from skipping competition the week before the Heps, that does not necessarily apply to people in the other events. A lot of head coaches really don't seem to grasp how vital competitions are, for their fast-twitch athletes' progress.

This doesn't apply to only the Ivy schools; I'm just noticing it for them this weekend, because they're all focused on the same event next week. Fewer competitions seem to be a continuing trend *throughout* the college ranks--maybe, in part, because meets are expensive to attend?--and I think the development of people in the "short" events frequently suffers.

In the Ivy context, I notice that the Cornell and Princeton teams had some of their athletes competing this weekend. Makes sense to me. Could it be one factor in those teams' dominance in the Heps over the last X years?

lease wrote:

In the Ivy context, I notice that the Cornell and Princeton teams had some of their athletes competing this weekend. Makes sense to me. Could it be one factor in those teams' dominance in the Heps over the last X years?

On Brown's schedule, they were doing the USATF New England meet at Harvard today. Coach Saretsky from Harvard told me at HYP a few individuals would compete at USATF New Englands, but he never said who. I'm still trying to find the results, but I don't think they will be up for a few days... :-(

But Harvard and Brown have traditionally done that USATF meet the Sunday before HEPS. At least for Harvard, it's been the last chance for sprinters and some field eventers, but definitely not distance.

I'm really enjoying the meet coverage at hepstrack.com. Thanks to all involved!

There's no doubt the Men's title race is going to be a tight one. Although Cornell is ahead if you score based on the Top 10 list on Direct Athletics, I wouldn't be surprised if Princeton comes out ahead at the meet.

On the Women's side, the three-way battle is going to be a close one. Princeton doesn't seem to have as dominant a distance crew as they have in the past, especially in the range they can cover (not having Costello is a huge blow). Cornell is strong in all the usual places, but it could very well be that the seemingly well-balanced Columbia team takes home the crown. Should be a great meet to watch!

USATF New Englands results http://www.coolrunning.com/results/10/ma/Feb21_USATFN_set1.shtml

Anyone know the Jamaican PV NR?

Based on this website, the men's is 5.20m and women's 3.36m for indoor pole vault.

http://www.mail-archive.com/t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu/msg23223.html

thanks I noted a 16-2ish jump and wondered

Any other predictions for this weekend? Who will win overall? What upsets do you think will occur (either team or individual-wise)?

C/M Runner wrote:

Any other predictions for this weekend? Who will win overall? What upsets do you think will occur (either team or individual-wise)?

I went to the DirectAthletics lists (assuming they're now complete) and came up with this. Hope my arithmetic is correct--sorry if I messed something up:

Men: Cornell 207.5, Princeton 176.5, Dartmouth 43, Penn 41, Harvard 39.5, Columbia 38, Yale 22.5, Brown 21

Women: Columbia 109, Princeton 106.7, Cornell 103.6, Harvard 78.5, Brown 61, Penn 36.6, Dartmouth 24.6, Yale 7

Some of you guys follow this more closely than I do, but:

Factoring in un-doable/unlikely doubles, etc., I think the men's meet still comes down to the relays. (I guess I'm having trouble picturing Cornell scoring 24 in the hurdles and 30 in the heptathlon.)

I expect the form charts to be upset in the 5,000; also, look for a lot more points for Columbia in the middle distances than are currently projected.

Men's (slight) team favorite: Cornell, which currently has at least one top-six entry in every event. (Princeton is only missing the heptathlon.)

All the women's teams have problem areas, though Cornell currently covers all but two events, Columbia all but four, Princeton all but five. Expect some Princeton scoring in the 800/mile, where they're currently blanked; and from massive doubling in the 3,000/5,000; and I come up with PU as the (again, slight) team favorite, though I'll grant a lot of Columbia's points are less iffy.

Current projections are for Columbia and Princeton each to get 14 points in the relays, Cornell 10; but if Cornell is around the lead when the relays come, they're capable of scoring a lot more. The spoiler here is that B, D, H, Pe, and Y, if not contending for team titles, may put relatively fresh teams in the relays, while I'd expect the "contenders" to have squeezed most of the juice out of their relayists in individual events.

Hepstrack has begun to post team previews and team top 10s. As of this morning, Harvard men and Cornell women are available. The previews will continue to be posted through Friday evening.

Will the weather affect any team's travel, or the meet schedule? It's a slippery, sloppy mess in NYC right now; what's it like in Hanover?

According to weather.com:

Currently: rain

Tonight: rain/snow/wind

Tomorrow: scattered snow showers/wind

Saturday and Sunday: light snow showers

Hopefully all of the teams can make it there in one piece.

Dartmouth simply does not have enough nearby lodging toaccomodate all the spectators. I don't see why they don't rotate xc Heps but keep indoor heps at the Armory. No other facility in the league compares to the Armory in terms of the track itself, the spectator areas, the history, and convenience of location.

The folks at hepstrack.com have got the entries for the meet posted. It appears that Cornell's Huber is indeed out of the meet; and the Big Red have opted to run Wade in the 800, not the 1,000. Five guys, including two from Princeton, will be in the heptathlon with no previous mark in the event--Cornell did end up entering five there.

On the women's side, I see that Cornell's Hewitt will LJing as well as sprinting; and I was mildly surprised to see that Princeton has chosen to enter only three in the 5,000--Columbia is the team with five entries in that race. I easily can see the meet coming down to the relays. The women that Cornell's entered have season's bests in the open 800 that total ~8:54; Brown also adds up to sub-9:00; and Columbia has entered a bunch of fast milers there--acknowledging that relay entries can change.

It should be a terrific meet. From some of the comments in this thread, I'm guessing Dartmouth's is not a "fast" track, so the essence of the races will simply be winning (granting that that's pretty much a given at Heps anyway). Some of the field marks should be great, though.

Best of luck to all!

So--thoughts at the end of Day One?

solid first day. some real entertainment! tomorrow should be good!

I'm excited for the women's 60HH, 200m, and 800m. Those finals should be tight races. I predict Ashtynn Baltimore to win for the hurdles, Sharay Hale for the 200, and Katie Grace edging out Carlyle Davis for the 800m.