RE: Sarah Palin

Not scared! wrote:

For all those posters on this issue, the following may be enlightening!

By Dewie Whetsell, Alaskan fisherman, as posted in comments on the MOVEON ad about Sarah Palin:

6- President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources for electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the Alaska legislature and submitted her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewables by 2025. We are already at 25%.

I'm still waiting to hear from liberals the names of other governors who can match what mine has done in two and a half years. I won't be holding my breath.

So much of this is bull, I could only pick the best one. There are two reasons Alaska is 25% renewable: 1) It has a tiny population (just under 700k) and 2) Hydro electric dams provide most of the renewable energy in Alaska. Sarah Palin did not build any dams in her scant 2 years in office and walked away from office when she started to get opposition for her plan to build a gigantic dam that would help achieve her 50% goal. And she recently posted on her facebook page a screed about clean energy investment being a job killer.

I understand your point and don't mean to beat a dead horse, but what you point about Obama's handling of foriegn policy indicates a difference of opinion that you have with Obama more than it provides evidence of incompetence. A conservative and a liberal are obviously going to take very different approaches to domestic and foriegn issues, even when they are equally well-informed. While by no means a brillian debater, Obama can hold his own with anyone in discussions concerning international relations. Palin, on the other hand, was forced to simply ignore numerous questions in her debate with joe Biden because of her lack of understanding of what was at stake. This factor was painfully evident in her famous interview with Katie Curic when she answered a question about NATO expansion and didn't realize that she had (if she had actually been president) just committed the country to war against Russia. I agree that Jimmy Carter was a bumbling incompetent, as was GWB, but Palin would make either of those two look like Thomas Jefferson in comparison.

NObama........................ wrote:

Tissue?

I'm sorry, did I make you cry?

Still waiting for your evidence, as always.

Sure it would if it was a leftie. Hillary was accused of having an affair with both men and women. If someone on the left has anything other than missionary style sex, once, and only to produce a child, they considered sexual deviants. The right doesn't stay away from children either, every child that's gone astray has been news in the conservative channels. It hasn't been just Rush's comments about Chelsea on TV. Let's also admit, if Chelsea had gotten knocked up every right winger in the country would have claimed it another example of the Clinton's poor moral character. In any case Letterman is apolitical at best, you really can't claim his exploit as a attack by the left, it was just dumb.

A pass by the right for sure. Who on the right said a thing about Palin's college travails, but the same people went after Kerry for his transcripts. Even earlier in this thread are comments about Obama not releasing his transcripts as proof he's an idiot. Palin gets a pass on that one. Let's face it, if Palin had been the Democratic nominee for VP Faux News would have been 24/7 anti-Palin. Then look at Prejean. If Prejean had said "I"m for gay marriage" and gone on the talk show circuit and the nude photos and sex tape came out the right would have a field day claiming that as proof of her poor moral cahracter, but since since said "marriage should be between a man and a woman" she could get could with a live boy and a dead nun and still not get a mention in the right wing press.

That's what I mean by they got a pass.

Wendell Gee wrote:

NObama........................ wrote:

Tissue?

I'm sorry, did I make you cry?

Still waiting for your evidence, as always.

Yeah actually I'm tearing up from laughing at you! Hahaha at "still waiting". I love that I have you waiting for me hand and foot! You know how to use a search engine, do the research and educate yourself.

Just like a liberal...want a handout and someone to do the work for you!

Sure she could, could she seriously do any worse?

At the very least she'd not go around APOLOGIZING (without the approval of the citizens of this land) for various and sundry bulls*it.

I half expected Obama to apologize to the japanese for FORCING them to attack Pearl Harbor in 1941. I'd expect his aides to direct him to do that.

I am eagerly awaiting 2012 to vote. I hope this nation lasts that long.

2 more words: TERM LIMITS.

NObama........................ wrote:

Yeah actually I'm tearing up from laughing at you! Hahaha at "still waiting". I love that I have you waiting for me hand and foot! You know how to use a search engine, do the research and educate yourself.

Just like a liberal...want a handout and someone to do the work for you!

You don't understand basic logic do you? I'll explain one more time.

You're asking me to prove the absence of something. Can't be done.

So, instead, it's up to you to prove the existence of what you claim. Should be easy, but you still can't do it.

Thanks for giving up ... another thing you have in common with Sarah P!

gamecock wrote:But my other point remains: if a blank slate/empty suit with no experience and a charming life story doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, how the heck did we wind up with just that as our current President?

The answer is it's a little more complicated than that.

First things first, when you compare Obama and Palin's education side by side you see a huge difference. Second, when you look at their legislative experience the gap widens even more. I mean, a small town mayor and Governor vs. State Representative and Senator? Plus, Obama held office much longer than Palin did.

Then there's the other jobs they've worked. I know Obama was the head of the Harvard Law Review and a Community Organizer, but I don't know anything about what Palin did prior to being a Mayor. I have a feeling there is a reason for that.The experience issue during the previous campaign was made in comparison to career politicians like John McCain. When you step back it's obvious President Obama still had quite a bit more than Sarah Palin.

NObama........................ wrote:Yeah actually I'm tearing up from laughing at you! Hahaha at "still waiting". I love that I have you waiting for me hand and foot! You know how to use a search engine, do the research and educate yourself.

Just like a liberal...want a handout and someone to do the work for you!

It's called burden of proof Trollbama. It's something the founding fathers believed in.

Wendell Gee wrote:

NObama........................ wrote:

Yeah actually I'm tearing up from laughing at you! Hahaha at "still waiting". I love that I have you waiting for me hand and foot! You know how to use a search engine, do the research and educate yourself.

Just like a liberal...want a handout and someone to do the work for you!

You don't understand basic logic do you? I'll explain one more time.

You're asking me to prove the absence of something. Can't be done.

So, instead, it's up to you to prove the existence of what you claim. Should be easy, but you still can't do it.

Thanks for giving up ... another thing you have in common with Sarah P!

First off thanks for waiting hand and foot again for me! I knew you'd be here like a little peasant in line for slop. Secondly, I didn't ask you to prove anything. You're the one asking for me to prove something thus your "I'm still waiting" lines that you've littered this thread with.

But continue to bathe in your golden shower of ignorance!

obama was born and raised in hawaii. honolulu is his home town. the economy and politics of hawaii was dominated by japanese when he was growing up and has since been succeeded by asians and hawaiians. so obama learned what hawaiian kids all learn in school, that europe began the rape of asia and pacific in the 1500s, the u.s. joined the rape after the civil war concluded with the rapes of the philipines, hawaii, china, and the naval bombardments of japan. a few days ago, obama bowed to the emperor and empress of japan. it was a good bow, not too deep, but respectful. obama's gesture showed respect to emperor akihito, the living god of the japanese people, and the head of state of the world's oldest government, 2600 plus years in existence. to those of us familiar with asian/pacific culture obama was very courteous and polite.

Mr. Price wrote:

NObama........................ wrote:Yeah actually I'm tearing up from laughing at you! Hahaha at "still waiting". I love that I have you waiting for me hand and foot! You know how to use a search engine, do the research and educate yourself.

Just like a liberal...want a handout and someone to do the work for you!

It's called burden of proof Trollbama. It's something the founding fathers believed in.

This is a message board not a courtroom you idiot! Go swordfight with Wendell Gay in your own thread!

Look, I've said over and over on this thread that I'm not even trying to make the case that Palin is qualified to be president. But even if you stipulate for the sake of argument that Obama, who never held a full-time job for over 4 years in his life, was "more qualified" by virtue of his community organizing and state-level legislating than Palin is, you still have not made the case that he rises above a minimum threshold of experience that should be expected of a president. Just because I'm taller than a midget doesn't mean I belong in the NBA. (I might even argue the point that running her own fishing business and doing executive work is more than equivalent to legislating, but the math works the other way, as well). President Obama is arguably the least-prepared occupant of the oval office in at least a century (maybe forever, but it's late and I don't feel like looking up Franklin Pierce's pedigree). And the Ivy-league degrees don't do much for me. When and if Obama's transcripts surface showing that he took serious courses and made good grades, I'll be happy to reconsider. But if conventional wisdom can hold that George W. Bush was a moron in spite of Yale undergrad and a Harvard MBA, there's no pressure to bow before the Ivy altar.

And don't forget that George W. was a war hero too. Quite a bio: BA at daddy's school, MBA at Harvard, war hero, CEO of several businesses, war hero (again), genius and finally The Decider. Methinks that even with all these kudos, he has found his true calling these past 10 months (something he can actually do well).

Anyone who thinks the Right doesn't "attack" or that it has no problem with powerful women might not have been around for the relentless attacks on her (especially by Hannity, who didn't let a day go by) tracing back to even before her husband was nominated for president and then proceeding all through his presidency. These right-wing clowns are not "feminists."

Me, I gotta wonder why anyone would for one moment honestly want Palin as president. Huckabee has essentially the same set of beliefs and he's more intelligent and competent and dedicated to campaigning. He's a runner, too. Even if his legs wouldn't look as good on "Newsweek."

gamecock wrote:Look, I've said over and over on this thread that I'm not even trying to make the case that Palin is qualified to be president. But even if you stipulate for the sake of argument that Obama, who never held a full-time job for over 4 years in his life, was "more qualified" by virtue of his community organizing and state-level legislating than Palin is, you still have not made the case that he rises above a minimum threshold of experience that should be expected of a president [...] But if conventional wisdom can hold that George W. Bush was a moron in spite of Yale undergrad and a Harvard MBA, there's no pressure to bow before the Ivy altar.

I'm not trying to say Obama is perfectly qualified for the job. He's not a veteran in the traditional sense. That much is obvious. I'm just trying to point out that referring to him as "a blank slate/empty suit with no experience and a charming life story" is unrealistic.

Not holding a full-time job for more than 4 years dosen't really mean a thing if: a) you don't get fired b)you constantly keep climbing a ladder c) you take an a-typical career path. It's not the 1950's anymore. Professionals are a lot more mobile than they used to be.

Here's what he's got:

- Community Organizer (3 years)

- Professor of Law (12 years)*

- Attorney (11 years)*

- Illinois State Senate (7 years)*

- U.S. Senate (3 years)

Keep in mind his time as a Professor, Attorney, and in the Illinois Senate overlapped. Bash him not having a full time job all you want but that's a very full slate for roughly 10 years.

Now, does this qualify him to be President? That's hard to say. I'd say "yes" when you throw the books in there along with the Harvard Law Review thing (which is a really big deal). You can debate this, but it's reasonable to say his qualifications aren't exactly minimal.

Jeez. I read all your threads above and thought, 'this guy is compelling..'. Then you go and throw in the 'show me his transcripts' thing. I now have to lump (and dismiss) you w/ all the right wing conspiracy types.

Huckabee is an country boy quere.

Palin can be CEO of Princess Cruises or the Tournament of Roses but POTUS ?

Can you imagine Palin facing down confirmed/confessed mass murdering pigs like Hu Jintao, Benjamin Netanyahu, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Il, Ehud Olmert, Robert Mugabe, Hamid Karzai, George W. Bush, Vladimir Putin, Robert Gates, Hassan Nasrallah, Stanley McCrystal, Dmitry Mendeleev, etc.

bauhaus wrote:

Jeez. I read all your threads above and thought, 'this guy is compelling..'. Then you go and throw in the 'show me his transcripts' thing. I now have to lump (and dismiss) you w/ all the right wing conspiracy types.

Why? If I had said something about his birth certificate, that would have been loony-bin time. But records of college grades are not usually hard to get. We've seen Bush's, and Kerry's. We're told all the time that Obama is so smart, with the fact that he went to Columbia and Harvard as evidence. But we know, whether we're talking Bush, JFK, or even FDR, that you can both get into and out of a good school based on factors other than sheer genius. And I'm not even saying "show me the transcripts," I'm saying that in the absence of more specific evidence than mere attendance at Harvard, I don't accept on faith that Obama is a man of exceptional intelligence.

(BTW--I should mention that exceptional academic ability is not exactly the greatest predictor of leadership. Carter was top 10% at Annapolis, and both Hoover and Nixon were brilliant, while FDR supposedly had a second-class intellect and first-class temperament.)