CRAIG PICKERING , FASTEST WHITE GUY EVER?

Muenster body slams Sparkles!

Eric Liddel was my personal favorite 100 guy (even thought he was way before my time). Give Usain Bolt the benefit of the doubt: IOC anti-doping is the strictest out there. Why haven't they said anything about his A and B samples?

Trying TAH Compete wrote:

genectic differences such as bone and muscle structure allow blacks on average to be faster this does not mean that whites can't be born with genes for speed

http://www.elitetrack.com/blogs/details/4075/

Very few blacks have those genes that allow them to go fast enough. Not ALL blacks. Do you understand this? Some dude 2000 years ago, or a small inbred tribe, had the genes. There are maybe 100-200k descendants of those people today, and of them a vast majority are black. The few that decide to run, do run quite fast obviously.

But most of the African World, and All Euro's and Asians don't have those genes. This is a small group. Few blacks have the genes to go fast enough to put them over that edge. And the edge isn't huge, but its enough in Sprints to clearly give them the win in the 100, and an edge in the 200, but after that the benefit stops, in fact in heats and multiple same day events it may even be detrimental.

lightning bolt:

The East Africans hardly dominate completely the distance events like a small group of West Africans dominates the Sprints.

I think this is important because it shows that complete dominance is genetic, while partial dominance is simply lifestyle choices.

If you took a bunch of white people, took their money, cars, and food away, and the only way they could have even a good meal was to run their asses off, you bet they'd run fast. Probably find 5-10 sub 27 athletes, and another 5-10 sub 13 athletes every year from them.

Blowing Rock Master wrote:

3200guy wrote:

I think Johnson is half white and half aborigine.

So what? Did the white half run slower than 9.93?

no, but aborigine would be considered black, at least for sprinting purposes. he;s not Totallt white. the whole hunter-gatherer fast-twitch fiber theory applies to people of aboriginal descent as well as african americans, no?

also, i know he's not white, but he definitely aint black - koji ito of japan clocked 10.00 on 1.90w, which makes him the fastest person of non-african descent to ru the 100m.

question for dipshits...

where are the other Aborigine's breaking 10 seconds in a 100?

If they're black why aren't a couple of them doing it every year. Why did only Patrick Johnson do it?

Jimbo Jones wrote:

Muenster body slams Sparkles!

He does? Really on a message board? Wow!

Don't even put Eric Liddel and the freakshow in the same sentence. Bolt isn't half the man, and I doubt he'll ever be.

You people are all blinded by your upbringings and deep-seated biases.

Look at things from completely unbiased view.

From the youngest ages, blacks are (ON AVERAGE!) better sprinters. It is what it is - and it is GENETIC. Get over it.

Incidently, blacks also have a genetic advantages when it comes to tanning.

German Muenster wrote:

Oh yeah?? VERY interesting how you don't mention a single white drug user. Coincidence, right Grand Wizard?

Grand Wizard? What else are you assuming here?

Did you even understand my basic argument? Very few blacks have these genes, when considering the entire black population on earth. It is this small group of descendants from some small branch or tribe, likely in Africa thousands of years ago, that excels in primarily one distance: 100m.

Of course, I don't expect you to understand this, your brain is likely too small between you thinking somehow that my argument is racist in some way.

Yes, at the very top of the sport there is an preponderance of only blacks, but if 'every' black had that talent you would see many hundreds of individuals running under 10 seconds, yet we don't. You miss the argument, its not 'blacks' that are in this group, its distant cousins from some ancestor 1000 years ago.

Similar to the Javelin throwers, Hammer throwers, Shot Putters, and Discus throwers. All white males from Eastern Europe. Any from Western Europe or America? No many, and the few that are, likely have ancestors that go back to Eastern Europe.

Sprinting is not a black thing, its a small group with African heritage. Most blacks couldn't sprint worth a dam at that level.

Just like throwing, its not a white thing. Its a small group within European heritage. Most whites couldn't throw worth a dam at that level.

Does the argument start making more sense now? How is this argument inherently racist?

And just like the White Throwers, the Black Sprinters are ROIDED to the FRICKEN MOON. The ROIDS enhance the small genetic differences with $$$$.

Do you understand how $$$$ will enhance these small differences are you too stupid to grasp that as well? I don't expect you to understand any of this. Just do your 'he's a racist dance' because thats the limit of your intelligence.

I dig your view. However, why would this genetic advantage apply to only the arbitrary distance of 100 meters?

Ian Mackie (SCO) 10.00 w (electronic was actually 9.998)

Doug Walker 10.01w in the same race then smoked to a 31.5 300m at Gateshead the next day. Impressive weekend

From wikipedia...wow:

Wells was the last white man to win an Olympic 100m final. Indeed 1980 was last time a white athlete made it to the men's 100m final. (emphasis added)

aboriginals are further from the african genetic pool that they are from the white genetic pool. I guess that makes Patrick Johnson 133% white

ehh no wrote:

aboriginals are further from the african genetic pool that they are from the white genetic pool. I guess that makes Patrick Johnson 133% white

The gene pools are a good part of this discussion.

Another fact that is being overlooked, if its the aboriginal genes, where are the other fast male aboriginals?

Looks like Patrick Johnson is the only one.

you do understand what the term on average means right?

Aborigines are of Indonesian decent, not african.

thread spoiler wrote:

From wikipedia...wow:

Wells was the last white man to win an Olympic 100m final. Indeed 1980 was last time a white athlete made it to the men's 100m final. (emphasis added)

So why did white men only decide in the 80s that they didn't have the genes to be competitive? Why didn't these crappy genes them from winning Olympic sprint titles pre-1984?

lightning Bolt wrote:

B) 200?? Here is the all-time list. There are hardly any whites on the list (a few here and there). It is dominated by west africans. So you're wrong.

http://www.apulanta.fi/matti/yu/alltime/2_Men.html

Maybe true but you'd have to imagine that if Wariner ran a few more 200s he could post some sub-20 times and get a bit further up that list. Not far enough to make him competitive with Bolt/Gay though.

Err, white people originally dominated organized sport?

marijuologist wrote:

Marian Woronin 10.00

Peitro Mennea 10.01

Matt Shirvington 10.03

Mennea did hold the 200 WR at one time at 19.72. Does anyone know if he's the only white man to break 20 sec for 200m? If there are others, who are they and what did they run?