How long until Princeton kicks their coaching staff to the curb and actually starts winning? It's inexcusable for all their studs to get totally hosed by a former nobody like Hine. I bet they have 5-10 guys who could have lapped him in an indoor 5k during HS, and several who could have double lapped him.
What happened? I think the Princeton runners should ask themselves this. They deserve better than their coaching staff has provided.
Can someone please provide a link to videos of the meet? Thanks.
banked track wrote:
Yes, Norton is anchoring the DMR.
I think Princeton expected to score more in the 3000 than just Maag's 10 pts. They were controlling the pace, keeping it slow and it did not work out for them when the kicking started, except for Maag.
Escareno was smart to push the pace in the first section, so he got 4 pts.
And where is Nightingale?
Some really WEIRD coaching and racing in the 3k - the Princeton and Dartmouth top guns nearly lost to the slow heat because no-one kept the pace honest. It would not have hurt either Maag or Norton to have been rabbited by a team mate through the first kilo in 2:45 - 2:50, and they could still have had their pissing match at the end. If the race is run in 8:24ish (top ten seed times all under this) Escareno doesn't score from the slow heat, then Sitler takes 6th and scores. Weird.
Fastest mile of the meet had to be cruised 4:06 - 4:07 anchor on the dartmouth dmr. That looked really comfortable.
LBP is a total beast. What an awesome final straightaway to win the mile. Great race to watch.
Anyone know what happened to Brown in the Women's 4x4? If they ran the team listed in the results, looks like they had enough firepower to run sub-3:50... they had run 3:45 in Feb, top seed going in.
Dropped baton? Dead legs?... several did run quite a few events, but 0 points... if they ran as you might have expected, they win the thing.
friend of a friend wrote:
Fastest mile of the meet had to be cruised 4:06 - 4:07 anchor on the dartmouth dmr. That looked really comfortable.
LBP is a total beast. What an awesome final straightaway to win the mile. Great race to watch.
Norton looked like he was warming up- pumping up his crowd on the last two laps, really enjoying himself. Assuming he goes to a last chance this weekend, he can push 4:00.
When True comes back this spring, the Dartmouth DMR will undoubtedly be one of the best in the country.
LBP has the best final 100 meters of anyone in the league-better than Wyner, Kaijala, Carmody, even True I think. No one wants to be in a kicker's race with him...
Hepsh wrote:
LBP has the best final 100 meters of anyone in the league-better than Wyner, Kaijala, Carmody, even True I think. No one wants to be in a kicker's race with him...
You probably weren't at outdoor Heps last year.
didn't look like his last 100 in the 4 X 800 was all too impressive
In Hine's defense he wasnt a complete nobody in HS. State champ in the mile I think (sub 4:20) and solid at cross.
Yeah but he certainly wasn't a maag, nightingale, sitler, pines, tinney, grote, otoole etc. etc.
Also any suggestion that LBP could kick with true is foolishness.
True could destroy LBP at any distance between 100m and the marathon, and he doesn't even care.
Coaching Job--
You just assume these guys were amazing in high school because they are good now? I'm guessing Princeton's distance coach did a pretty good job with at least nightingale, who was something like a 4:01 1500 guy in highschool. Or maybe his 9 minute 3k is what you meant as amazing.
To assume is to make an ass of u and me.
Do a bit more research yourself.
Do you see that pre-pubescent kid out there who is finishing 1 spot behind dan M - an all-american for penn state?
Yeah that kid is a certain hs squash player who didnt run seriously at all and still ran 16:05 at VCP as a sophomore in HS.
If he were at Wisconsin he would be running 13:20.
meet pics?
True is a stud, but he hardly deystryoed LBP last year at Heps. Both were kicking crazy hard over the last 100m and true beat him by about 0.1 seconds. LBP ran a faster last 100m, but true was a full stride ahead with 100m to go. Also, True's 800m pr is 1:50.0 and LBP ran 1:48.28. Not saying True is not a stud, but he hardly would destroy LBP.
Coaching Job wrote:
Yeah but he certainly wasn't a maag, nightingale, sitler, pines, tinney, grote, otoole etc. etc.
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Clearly revealing that you don't have a clue, care to list their HS prs? Pines for example?
off the top of my head -
Sitler, 5th at FL Nationals, Tinney 9:02 as a JR, Nightengale - highest finishing soph at FL regionals in the nation, Maag 8:17 / 3000m in HS. And, that only includes the guys mentioned. There are many, many more. Dolan is not getting it done there relative to what he has. Remember, this team has not even made it to cross NC's yet.
Princeton is as loaded as any top 15 xc team in the country. The talent they have is unbelievable.
Where are these guys:
To top this off, O'Toole (3:45 pr) doesn't score in the mile and can't run a decent DMR leg. Tinney (14:07 pr) doesn't score in the 5k.
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PRINCETON IS ABSOLUTELY LOADED WITH TALENT, THEIR CLASS LAST YEAR WAS SICKENING AND THIS YEARS IS TOP 5 IN THE COUNTRY.
CABBRAL
KAULBACH
LEUNG
VANACKAREN
STILIN
they are one of the 15 most talented teams in the country, yet you heard it here first THEY WILL LOSE HEPS XC NEXT YEAR AND FOR 3 YEARS AFTER THAT TO
COLUMBIA, whose distance runners havent done much yet in track, but are bringing KYLE MERBER and many very good others
WOW. Good work. Thats unbelievable.
Can you imagine those guys at a Cornell? Nobody is wasting 4:10 and 9 flat guys quite like Princetion. They have been doing it for years...
That said, you do have to give them some credit with a few athletes. Maag for example ran 8:26 for 3k in Highschool and never qualified for Fl nationals. He is now running 7:56 and 4:00? He is clearly a huge talent but still trained very seriously in High School.
But still....
You're just a moron, you obviously do not understand how the system works. Princeton did not run their entire team in order to score the most points, and only brought their top runners to compete in order to win. They obviously have other very good runners, however from a strategic standpoint they ran their studs in order to try to win. Cornell didn't run many of their runners for the same reason, there are limited entries per meet and the coaches want to make the most of them.
no shit they didn't run all their good runners, but looking at teh decending order list it doesnt look like those frosh were running all the good in comparison to what they should considering their PRs in HS. And Princeton's studs did not step it up and basically sucked. basically what it comes down to is they don't know how to peak. its pathetic that their 1:50 800 runner couldnt get top 2 in his 1k heat, which was run in 2:32 and tinney being a 14:0x 5k runner doesn't score at the heps. oh and otoole who has run 345 doesnt score. They run well during the season but most of them don't do a good job at peaking when it counts.