Vinokourov caught Doping!!!

I don't know his real name but it's probably something retarded like Little B*tch. A witch hunt sounds fun though, I'm down. That quote is up there with 430miler.

Oops! A lab official spoke anonymously about the positive test. The riders may or may not be clean, but it's a certain the lab is not clean. It's almost like the lab wants a lawsuit to happen. Why can't these test official simply wait until everything's official?

FROM THE AP Newswire:

PAU, France -- Tour de France rider Alexandre Vinokourov tested positive for a banned blood transfusion after winning last weekend's time trial, prompting his Astana team to pull out of the race Tuesday.

The positive test of the Kazakh rider, a one-time favorite to win cycling's premier event, dealt a heavy blow to a sport already reeling from a spate of doping scandals.

"Vino has tested positive having to do with a blood transfusion and the team is leaving the Tour," team spokeswoman Corinne Druey said, using the rider's nickname.

The positive test took place after the Kazakh rider's victory in the 13th stage time trial on Saturday, L'Equipe newspaper reported on its Web site. Vinokourov, a pre-race favorite, won two stages this year -- the time trial in Albi and Monday's 15th stage. He is 23rd in the overall race standings.

Once seen as a favorite to win the Tour, Vinokourov dropped out of contention for good Sunday after losing 28 minutes, 50 seconds to race leader Michael Rasmussen.

L'Equipe said the analysis was conducted by the Chatenay-Malabry lab on the outskirts of Paris. It said two distinctive types of red blood cells were found in the A sample and showed that Vinokourov received a blood transfusion from a compatible donor shortly before the time trial.

A senior French anti-doping official confirmed to the Associated Press that there was a positive test for a blood transfusion taken from a rider at the Tour on Saturday, but said he didn't know the name of the cyclist involved. He said the test found two different types of blood, one from the rider, one from a donor.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because no official announcement had been made.

Vinokourov has been a crowd favorite along the course route this year. He was injured in a crash in the fifth stage, requiring stitches in both knees.

"With a guy of his stature and class, in cycling's current situation, we might as well pack our bags and go home," said British rider David Millar, who came back from a two-year doping ban in the Tour last year.

What's the price of a man's character? What dollar amount do you attach to a good name? I guess we know what your price is Alan. I hope that works out well for you.

sorry sagarin. you no data on steroid use and testicular cancer that is convincing. you sir are a dumbass.

Question to all:

Let's say you're a decent student consistenly scoring less than others you strongly suspect are cheating. Let's then say a representative from your college comes up to you and says "If you see the test in advance, which we can arrange, you'll get top marks". "You won't get caught, everyone is on it (he then shows you stone cold proof), we have personnel who can keep it under wraps to make sure you don't get caught"

What would you do? Would you take it? Go from scoring mediocre marks to the top 1%...go from just an OK student to a genius.

If you are shown proof that most of your colleagues are cheating what would you do?

Ha Team ASStana Hahahhaa lol I get it Alan is an ASStana hahaaa hah ha h

ahh thats good, good stuff ASStana

lindsay lohan wrote:

sorry sagarin. you no data on steroid use and testicular cancer that is convincing. you sir are a dumbass.

Ummm, no sir, it is you that is a dumbass. Did I assert that I had data on this particular thread somewhere? As I stated rather clearly, it is my OPINION and you are not going to convince me otherwise. I didn't present it as "I'm going to try to CONVINCE YOU by simply raising suspicion but not providing data did I?

And you are entitled to your own informed or uninformed opinion, but, since you brought it up, do some digging for yourself. There is plenty of "concern" out there that steroid use can cause testicular cancer in young males.

RE: "Go from scoring mediocre marks to the top 1%...go from just an OK student to a genius."

I have to wonder how cheating makes one a genius.

And do you also believe that former American Record holder Steve Scott got his testicular cancer at a similar age form steroids?

Steve Scott was much older for one thing. And I am not saying that it is a cause certain, but I BELIEVE it to be in Armstrong's case. And I doubt Frankie Andreau was lying in his sworn deposition about Lance's drug use, though, as I said before, it is much easier to raise reasonable doubt than to ever prove anything. The oldest trick in the book is to blame the lab's protocol and hire a publicist.

Kitty Woods wrote:

I have to wonder how cheating makes one a genius.

Cheating is to genius as doping is to superior athlete.

Where did you get the similar age thing anyway? Lance was what, 24 or so, whereas Scott was well past his prime in his mid-to-late 30s?

Runningart2004 wrote:

Their cheating does not affect me so why should I care?

It has affected many innocent non-elites, Mr. Tobin. How many runners out there have not only given credence to the Moroccan "training methods" but actually tried to copy them, totally missing the sport's foundation to success, never realizing their full potential or the true joy of running?

The police have now raided the Astana team hotel. It is 1998 all over again.

Sagarin wrote:

The thing that I find staggering is that someone like Lance Armstrong gets testicular cancer (which I personally believe was connected to steroid use -- no one will ever change my mind on that) and almost loses his life, yet he more than likely dopes to get back to the top of the podium. I thought that the fact that he had had a near-death experience and most certainly had his priorities straight after that life-changing epiphany would have purified him, so-to-speak, and that alone would have vindicated his rise to the top as a clean cyclist. But I find that highly doubtful now. I guess the money and the fame is simply too tempting.

Sadly quite a number of young males get testicular cancer, there's no need to go looking for reasons like steroids. I fully believe that Armstrong was doped, but this really is a very rubbish argument.

Wait everybody! We mave have jumped the gun on this thing. This just in from Vino's camp...

"Alexandre denies having manipulated his blood," Biver said, adding that the rider believes that "blood anomalies in his body" may have resulted from a crash he was involved in last week." ESPN.com news services

It sounds like it was just one big misunderstanding...

curious onlooker wrote:

And do you also believe that former American Record holder Steve Scott got his testicular cancer at a similar age form steroids?

I've often thought that, but extremely hard training might just be enough of a stressor in itself to trigger cancer in a genetically-predisposed individual.

Yep, and Floyd Landis had about 80 misunderstandings.

Just like Floyd. One big misunderstanding...

The more this stuff happens the less I can buy the Armstrong camps denials. At this point they should just let cycling be the first doping approved sport.