Sorry, can't make sense of your question.
Sorry, can't make sense of your question.
avid reader wrote:
Sorry, can't make sense of your question.
Then you must be iliterate because his question was quite clear.
Northwest Apprentice wrote:
"The Rupps pay Salazar $200 a month for coaching services."
Is this a typo?
I'm surprised more people didn't pick up on this. Salazar, as an established professional coach, is obviously being compensated by SOMEONE for his services to Rupp, and you can bet that his compensation is a lot more than $200 per month. That suggests that the Rupps (Galen or his parents) are receiving "imputed income" in the form of subsidized professional coaching services. Perhaps that's O.K. by NCAA and IRS standards -- I have no idea -- but I'm a little surprised by how blatant the arrangement is. $200 per month is obviously just a nominal amount, not intended to reflect the value of the services rendered.
On the more general point about sacrifice and "impoverishment": One of the reasons that I find the life stories of so many of the African runners so much more compelling than those of U.S. runners is that they have come from such humble roots. Stories about second mortgages to provide for a son's international travel and an altitude tent leave me cold.
you mean you guys take what Salazar said literally?
You young people are always jumping on the "poverty" bandwagon just to sound hip......Your taught at those Ivy league schools to parse everry word that someone says to check and see (because there just has to be) someone diddin' some other person.
I dunno, maybe it impresses the chick that works on habvitat for humanity houses with you once every 6 months..to see how enlightened and sensitive you are.
Did you actually take Salazar literally?
I must be, but then you must be too stupid to answer it if you can understand it. Then again, you can't even spell "illiterate" correctly, so you're probably wrong in thinking that the question was "quite clear".
I really think this whole article is petty. It’s pretty obvious that these are 'choices' made and are in no way essential. I find it strange that someone like Alberto would accept money off a kid for coaching, even if it is to protect his eligibility, he has got more mileage of Rupp than anything else he's done in the last 15 years! Surely if he's passionate about coaching then this should not be an issue. If his parents are "impoverished", then maybe he could help them out by dropping his $200 fee.
I just wonder do the 'essentials' include a round world trip to Australia to run in a 10000m race in December...what was the overall purpose of this?? He could have got some rabbits to run him around the Nike campus if he wanted a hard effort.... what college 'student' does that??? Someone suggested earlier that it was an Oregon tradition, I’m pretty sure that was racing in New Zealand, with the Bowerman and Lydiard relationship being the foundation.
Lets not forget that Rupp will not be short of money when he officially goes pro, how many athletes have billionaire’s wear a shirt with their name on it???
Phil Knight did when Rupp ran his mile at Nike a couple of years back.
Quit whining, poverty is real.... visit the slums in Nairobi and see it for yourself Alberto.
I'm not sure what your point is, or if your words were even directed at me. As a 48-year-old lawyer, I'm glad to be called a young person. I don't think I'm "on the 'poverty' bandwagon"; in fact, by most people's standards, I'm filthy rich, and I prefer it that way. I don't do anything with Habitat for Humanity, although I probably would to impress the right "chick."
Avocados Number wrote:
Salazar, as an established professional coach, is obviously being compensated by SOMEONE for his services to Rupp, and you can bet that his compensation is a lot more than $200 per month.
I think you have an inflated sense of what coaches get paid. Most of them -- even those that work with top-flight runners -- have another source of income, whether it's coaching at a college or (as in Salazar's case) working for Nike. Personally, among the several very prominent professional coaches I worked with, the most I paid any of them was $60 a month. Yes, it's a nominal fee -- welcome to track and field.
As for this ceaseless parsing of the word "impoverished," people seem to be missing the point of the article in order to focus on Salazar's vocabulary. Is sending two sons to expensive schools and bankrolling trips to Europe expensive? Of course! Do thousands of families do it? Of course! Were the Rupps surprised to realize that it's a strain on financial resources? Of course not.
However, unlike many families in that situation, the Rupps have a potential alternative: Galen can turn pro. There are many upsides to turning pro -- in particular, money. And there are downsides, like missing the chance for team and individual NCAA titles. It's a dilemma, and one with good arguments on both sides. That's why it's on the front page of the paper, because it's an interesting and unusual dilemma.
And for those still parsing words, one meaning of "impoverish" is "to make more poor." Rupp's decision to run for Oregon rather than go pro has made his family poorer than it would otherwise be. That doesn't mean they're as poor as the average Kenyan family -- and nobody with the slightest shred of contextual awareness would imagine that's what Salazar meant.
Sending TWO sons to expensive schools? No. Pretty sure Galen is on scholarship. Thousands of families spend their own money to send their kids to Europe for track meets? If that were true, I think there would be some better athletes to show for it.
hold the phone wrote:
And for those still parsing words, one meaning of "impoverish" is "to make more poor."
That's an odd use of the word. "Impoverish" generally means "to make poor" -- that is, "to reduce to poverty." When Bill and Melinda Gates donate a million dollars, or ten or twenty billion dollars, they are not thereby impoverished, although their net financial worth may be diminished.
Compared to athletes of similar quality in damn near any other sport, the Rupps are Impoverished.
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
Sending TWO sons to expensive schools? No. Pretty sure Galen is on scholarship. Thousands of families spend their own money to send their kids to Europe for track meets? If that were true, I think there would be some better athletes to show for it.
Think a little more broadly -- consider tennis lessons, swimming pool time, the cost of a good musical instrument and private lessons. The opportunities both Rupp kids are being given are obviously generous and well above "average." But if you think there aren't tens of thousands of families who indulge their children to the same extent, you're sorely deluded.
Avocados Number wrote:
That's an odd use of the word. "Impoverish" generally means "to make poor" -- that is, "to reduce to poverty." When Bill and Melinda Gates donate a million dollars, or ten or twenty billion dollars, they are not thereby impoverished, although their net financial worth may be diminished.
Fair point, AN -- I should have known better than to engage in a semantic pissing match. But the fact remains that context is still relevant in how you use the word. As numerous helpful people have pointed out in this thread, no one with an annual income in the tens of thousands is impoverished by Kenyan standards.
But to take your example, if someone successfully sued Bill Gates for $49.999 billion out of his total net worth of $50 billion, it wouldn't be out of place to say that the lawsuit impoverished him -- despite the fact that he has a hefty million dollars left.
By the same token, I don't think it's so wildly inappropriate to suggest that a sequence of events that has led the comfortably upper-middle-class Rupps to a net worth of negative $45,000 has in some sense impoverished them. It's not the word I'd use, but I think it's only being singled out here because of the peculiar scrutiny and animosity the Rupps are being subjected to here.
Yes. Referring to the high school they attended, Jesuit, a private Catholic high school. Expensive.
Mr. Poo wrote:
Well, thats what happens when you pay for your kids school. Let them work and pay for it themselves.
School's only part of it. Why are you purposely narrowing what his parents are paying for?
wejo wrote:
"Impoverished" is not the right word at all. Alberto should go to Kenya to see impoverished. If you're making $100k+ a year and think that is povery that is nuts.
Flying your kid to Europe, giving him an altitude tent, etc is not the signs of "poverty". These things are being done by choice.
My question:
1) Can't Rupp accept travel to races. Ie I don't think he paid $3000 to fly to Australia for that meet. I assume the meet paid it. Can anyone confirm if this is ok by NCAA rules?
WEJO, let me assure you no Aussie meet promoter is going to fly an obscure US college runner down to Melbourne for one meet...U of Oregon wouldn't pay, Nike couldn't pay...that leaves Mr Rupp.
Also, to others...there is absolutely no connection or tradition between Australia and the U of Oregon. Heck, there is not even a pipeline between OZ & Eugene like there is between Ireland & Villanova...so let's nip that little fallacy in the bud.
desert rodent wrote:
WEJO, let me assure you no Aussie meet promoter is going to fly an obscure US college runner down to Melbourne for one meet...U of Oregon wouldn't pay, Nike couldn't pay...that leaves Mr Rupp.
yea galen rupp, what a nobody. what are you thinking wejo?
d21 wrote:
desert rodent wrote:WEJO, let me assure you no Aussie meet promoter is going to fly an obscure US college runner down to Melbourne for one meet...U of Oregon wouldn't pay, Nike couldn't pay...that leaves Mr Rupp.
yea galen rupp, what a nobody. what are you thinking wejo?
Typical Dyestater. Think back to December 2006 and think globally = OBSCURE.
You are what is wrong with America.
Thats Central Catholic.
Why does Wejo hate the California boys?