I think Lindgrens own son is however.
I think Lindgrens own son is however.
revealed wrote:
Kenny Moore is no one to be judging anyone when it comes to interpersonal relationships.
He's been divorced a few times but he didn't abandon any kids. Big difference.
newohiomaster wrote:
He's been divorced a few times but he didn't abandon any kids. Big difference.
Incorrect. Abusing marriage by "marrying" multiple times (when one is still sacramentally married to the first spouse) is extremely damaging to one's "wives."
The person posting under GerrytheJogger is most likely not Gerry Lingren. Am I the only person that did a search of GerrytheJogger and can see that he or she is not Gerry Lingren?
Spelling correction: Lindgren not Lingren. Point still stands though.
That was an excellent post from John Anderson. I hope it works.
Tweetering Debutante and all others like you that stand on your little footstool, hammer in hand, and mete out Judgement ... should apply for the position that may come up if you're lucky ... and the position is
GOD!
Every person who has responded to this post is guilty of wrong doing in his or her life ... some people like to call it sin ... some people despise that word ... How would you
Debutante, and your tweetering cohorts, like to have your dirty laundry exposed and discussed and ridiculed? You are all closet GODS desiring in your righteousness, to lower the hammer and then shine up your little halos after the crucifixion. Please heed the advice:
Stick to marveling about Gerry's incredible feats as a runner ... because he was, arguably, the best distance runner in American history. There are many amazing stories of what he did ... and even an interesting story of what he could have done if fate had not bust onto the scene.
I met Gerry this summer in Eugene; and even though he was at lunch with a few people, he sat me down and told me his Pre story. He was ingenuous, humble and accomodating. We did not discuss each others sins ... we talked about running ... he joked, we laughed a little. We shook hands and I left. As I walked away I heard him say the following words, as if to me, but really, spoken into the air as if to everyone:
" I Really Love to Run ! "
Well, it happens.
qucassidy wrote:
Tweetering Debutante and all others like you that stand on your little footstool, hammer in hand, and mete out Judgement ... should apply for the position that may come up if you're lucky ... and the position is
GOD!
Every person who has responded to this post is guilty of wrong doing in his or her life ... some people like to call it sin ... some people despise that word ... How would you
Debutante, and your tweetering cohorts, like to have your dirty laundry exposed and discussed and ridiculed? You are all closet GODS desiring in your righteousness, to lower the hammer and then shine up your little halos after the crucifixion. Please heed the advice:
Stick to marveling about Gerry's incredible feats as a runner ... because he was, arguably, the best distance runner in American history. There are many amazing stories of what he did ... and even an interesting story of what he could have done if fate had not bust onto the scene.
I met Gerry this summer in Eugene; and even though he was at lunch with a few people, he sat me down and told me his Pre story. He was ingenuous, humble and accomodating. We did not discuss each others sins ... we talked about running ... he joked, we laughed a little. We shook hands and I left. As I walked away I heard him say the following words, as if to me, but really, spoken into the air as if to everyone:
" I Really Love to Run ! "
How warm and fuzzy.
Wouldn't it be something special, a real tear-jerker, if Gerry bothered to tell his own son the Pre story?
It's amusing how there is a camp who, simultaneously voicing their "disgust" at all this moral judgment going on, themselves violate their own vociferous entreaties to refrain from judgment while telling said posters what wretched, low life cretins they are, hankering after God's job, thinking themselves so much better...in short, being glorious little hypocrites and themselves JUDGING.
Letsrun.com; a day on here supplies a lifetime of irony, hypocrisy, and tomfoolery.
Folks, gerrythejogger is Gerry Lindgren. He is a good man, I hope he considers what I wrote to him.
and 90% of his stories are true. I was there. We lived in an era where the media, and detailed information was not kept.
It amazes me how many people will rip someone else who we dont know. I dont know the story and dont pretend to know Gerrys story, its his life not mine. In todays world we expect some sort of public apology like Jimmy Swaggert, its his life leave him alone
Gerry,
Your one of my idols, thanks for giving me motivation to believe.
I have to say that this is one of the most entertaining threads I've read in a long time. Consider the following and you will see why I enjoy reading many of your heart pouring posts:
a) GerrytheJogger is not Gerry Lindgren. Research the aforementioned; us the message board search function and search GerrytheJogger. You will see that it is not him. Read several of them and you will see that GerrytheJogger is an advocate of Lindgren. GerrytheJogger is not Lindgren. Who knows, maybe some of you want to believe that it is Lindgren, that way you feel as though you are actually speaking with him. Ask yourself why Gerry Lindgren would speak with all of you yet he won't call his family. Do you think he would apologize to all of you? Do you think he cares what any of you think about him?
b) If I am claiming to be a long time friend of Gerry Lindgren and would like to speak with him I would go on the University of Hawaii's website and obtain his contact information. If contact info is not available I would send a letter to the athletics office addressed to his attention. Believe me, he will get it. He might not read it but he will get it. I'm going to guess that if he sees a letter from a "long time friend" he might consider reading it. A "long time friend" would not post emotional posts such as John Anderson did that the entire world can read. A "long time friend" would honor the privacy within a friendship unless he is trying to bring attention to himself.
c) So many of you are concerned with the personal life of a person you have never even met. If you spent more time judging yourself then judging others, you would all be a lot further ahead. Michael Jordan is a much larger icon in the basketball community then Lindgren is in the track community and it makes no sense for any of us that do not know him to judge him and tell him what he should or shouldn’t do. Jordan and Lindgren have no right to judge any of you either. You can judge someone like Bin Ladin that is directly affecting you or the ones you love but you can not judge someone that has not affected your personal life.
People, I get a laugh every time I read a new emotion packed post that thinks that they are speaking directly to Lindgren. Thanks for the laughs.
p.s. Gerry wanted me to thank you for talking some sense into him. He hasn't had time in Manoa Valley and Waikiki to ponder his life thoroughly for the last 20+ years. Also, he asked that I inform everyone including the person that started this thread that his name is spelled Lindgren not Lingren.
Thanks for the entertainment.. wrote:
a) GerrytheJogger is not Gerry Lindgren.
You should probably contact the real Gerry and let him know that someone is using the address gerrythejogger and has even set up a webpage pretending to be and dedicated to Gerry and also using the gerrythejogger email address as the contact point.
http://www.gerrylindgren.com/trainI disagree with you quite a bit.
YES judging others is a difficult endeavor, BUT.....EVERYONE SINGLE GODDAMNED ONE OF US DOES IT EVERY DAY. AND THAT INCLUDES YOU. So.....care to rethink your little diatribe?? If someone wrongs you, or does something you think it is really wrong, do you criticize them? OF COURSE YOU DO. Lets say you don't like George Bush. And lets say it comes out that because of George Bush's environmental policies (this is a hypothetical, remember), 1000's and 1000's will die due to various pollution and global warming issues. Would you JUDGE him? Would you criticize him?? Or you would stand up and shout: "don't judge Dubya until you walk in his shoes! He could not help becoming the way he was. He had pressure from having a Dad for president, and all those corporate donations pushed him to ignore the environment. He is only human. In his shoes, you'd have done the same." Is THAT what you would say?? And if someone raped your little girl, and it came out that he was beaten as a child, would you demand that people NOT judge him and instead offer him pity? Of course not. So stop your nonsense.
Now obviously, my examples above are about WORSE crimes than what Gerry did (though abandoning one's kids and family without an explanation, and ignoring their calls for reconciliation are pretty harsh), but that does not seem to be your point. YOUR POINT IS: don't judge others, period. Look, unless your are Jesus, that ain't gonna fly. And you don't even believe such drivel yourself. We ALL judge others. Now we should have sympathy and empathy for others, but only UP TO A POINT. If we believe in free will at all, we should look at everyone's situation individually, and decide for ourselves what we think of their actions. I think it is entirely fair and human to do so. Now judging one TOO QUICKLY....ok, that can be a problem. But most seem to know the details of Gerry's story pretty well, and they've concluded, as have I, that while an incredibly successful and great runnner, he was a failure and BAD family man.
Why praise him for one thing, but refuse to criticise him for something else??? RUNNING is more important than anything else?? HARDLY. And....if you are going to make excuses for his NEGATIVE actions, maybe you should ALSO find natural reasons/"excuses" for his GREAT running. What I mean by that is: just as his childhood environment, and possibly a chemical imbalance in his brain, might have led to his negative actions as an adult, that SAME childhood environment and that SAME GENETIC CODE (maybe he was born with a one in a million body that could withstand athletic punishment without breaking down. Maybe he naturally felt physical pain less than others. Maybe his natural capacity for mitochonrial growth, something that IS genetically determined, was off the charts. Maybe....he had genetic running gifts that few did) that led to his depression ALSO made him a great runner! MY POINT??? It is: that if you are going to waive away his responsibility and free will for his negative actions, you should DO THE VERY SAME COCERNING HIS ACHIEVEMENT IN RUNNING. But, on the other hand, if you want to praise his running (as you obviously do), then feel free to criticize him too. I think it is very inconsistent for one to think it is fine to praise someone for doing something trivial like running well when you have not walked/run in his "shoes", but then at the same time to say: but don't CRITICIZE someone for doing something important (being a father) poorly when you have not walked in his shoes. It's gotta go BOTH ways! Or......just ingnore him completely and chock his ENTIRE life, good and bad(including all his running), to luck, chance, and fate. It's up to you what you believe.
But I and many others believe the following are BOTH true:
Gerry Lindgren: troubled, talented person who became a once in a lifetime runner due to talent, circumstances, selfishness, and incredible courage and drive to succeed.
Gerry Lindgren: troubled person who failed as a husband and father due to circumstances, illness, selfishness and LACK of courage and drive to provide.
Asterix (most likely aka John Anderson),
Before I realized that it is only 6:13am in Hawaii I actually considered two-waying Gerry per your advice. My better "judgement" determined that I should allow him to complete his morning jog and also finish his breakfast before I deliver this earth shattering news.
Asterix and anyone else; do the thread search of GerrytheJogger. Actually don't do the thread search because then I won't have your posts to entertain myself with.
Asterix, I have three bridges for sale. Locations follow:
a.) Brooklyn
b.) London
c.) San Francisco
p.s. I was thinking about selling the H3 as well, Gerry are you interested?
Even though Sir Lance-alot tried to save face, I don't think that you can after comparing Gerry Lindgren to George Bush and the deaths of "1000's and 1000's". Ha, ha, ha, ha................. How can someone that had an affair with his majesty's wife comment on another's family morals?
Wow, what can I say other than wow.
Maybe tonight when you sit at your round table you can draw a parallel between Bode Miller and Hitler.
On a serious note most people do judge others but it doesn't make it acceptable because the next man is doing the same. If the actions of Gerry Lindgren in his personal life affected anyone posting on here directly, then they should feel free to express themselves hoping that he might be listening. If you have no personal connection to this man outside of appreciating his track accomplishments for what they are; exactly that track accomplishments, then let the man live because you can bet that someone else close to you has done comparable or worse and you have remained silent.
Interesting post. It's interesting because maybe some of us
have had some contact with Gerry. For what its worth. It's great to see him back doing what he enjoys doing.
I and many others believe the following are BOTH true:
Sir Lance a-lot: Douchebag. Plain and simple.
Sir Lance a-lot: Douchebag, bitcher, and moaner.