This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
As for the lame fearmongering about the spike protein… we know COVID delivers a longer exposure to more parts of the body. Go quake in fear over that.
I think the point is that for quite some time we've been reassured continually that the spike protein from injections remains local. Evidence continues to mount that this isn't the case (dysregulation of the menstrual cycle should have been an early tipoff). This represents a clear failure in our understanding of the mechanism of the vaccines, and it's not fair to just sweep it under the rug like it's no big deal because COVID is worse. It is in fact a big deal and it shouldn't be happening.
Comparing to COVID infection isn't a 1:1 comparison for two reasons: a) a significant part of the population has had 4-5 vaccines, but very few people have been infected that many times, and b) the vast majority of vaccinated people still have gotten COVID 1-2 times.
Hopefully the right people will look into what's happening and future iterations of the vaccine will solve the problem so that those who choose to get further vaccinated aren't exposed to whatever ancillary things may be happening. If it turns out to be an unavoidable consequence of mRNA technology, then perhaps other vaccine forms may be preferable.
The EUA packet for (at least) one of the included luciferase assays in rats that showed transient levels of expression (or migration) outside the injection site (mainly in the liver, big surprise). This has been known since literally day 1 of the vaccination campaign. The only failure is for the vaccine 'skeptics' (I use that term with extreme derision) to keep up with the foundational science.
Where did I ever state pregnant women shouldn't get vaccines? Pregnant women are immuno-compromised. I have always had exceptions for those over 40 and those who are immuno-compromised. What do you have to say about the CDC withholding booster data on the 18-49 crowd that showed no or negative effectiveness?
Besides, you don't even believe a fetus is a life.
You claimed the vaccines didn't work against Delta, then against Omicron. You did this for weeks by posting confounded data repeatedly even after your simple arithmetic errors were explained to you. You believe in 'sanctity of life' or whatever the current oligarch-pushed term is nowadays so this report should really freak you out. COVID is causing countless abortions aka it's worse then the Democrats and Biden-flation. Scary!
You excluded me because you knew I’d tear your tired arguments to shreds.
Offit is a huge vaccine proponent and the core of his argument against the new boosters is that the current vaccines work extremely well. Natural immunity is nothing special. About the same as a booster but worse in that you get a less broad immune response.
The point of the low quality opinion piece you posted was to fear monger the spike protein by spewing random hypotheses. Sadly this argument completely backfired due to the fact that the COVID virus also delivers the spike protein to more of the body and for longer. Oops! Probably should have thought for more than 3 seconds instead of just spamming a random article.
Lol, oh yes, I fear your wrath and sciency condemnation.
Already characterized Offit (and Dr Z) as pro-vax. No $hit, Offit was on the FDA advisory committee. The “core” of his argument is that the bivalent booster was only tested in Rhesus macaques, without a good response, and eight lab mice, which doesn’t translate well to humans. Hence his no vote. ALSO, the fact that there is immunological imprinting, whether vaccine induced or virus induced. “There’s always that.”
Low quality “opinion” piece that sources many other scientific studies?
“2. Evidence for Systemic Biodistribution of COVID-19-Vaccine-Induced S Protein in Vaccinated Subjects
A study published in May 2021 documented for the first time circulating vaccine-induced S protein in the blood of 11 out of 13 subjects as early as one day after injection of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, up to 150 pg/mL and for about two weeks after injection [7]. Immediately, it was observed that such concentrations were several orders of magnitude lower than those needed to bind ACE2 receptors, and that in any case after two weeks no trace of the protein was detectable in blood. Soon after, however, a report was published describing the case of a woman suffering from Moderna-COVID-19-vaccine-induced thrombocytopenia and with 10 ng/mL vaccine-induced S protein levels in plasma 10 days after vaccination [8], thus nearly 100 times higher than those reported previously [7], suggesting excessive vaccine-induced production of S protein as a determinant of vaccine toxicity. Meanwhile, both vaccine mRNA and vaccine-induced S protein were shown in axillary lymph nodes up to 60 days after the second dose of both Moderna or BioNTech–Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines [9], thus showing that endogenous production of S protein following vaccination may occur for much longer than previously thought. The S protein has been so far identified in endomyocardial biopsies of patients with myocarditis up to nearly two months following COVID-19 vaccination [10], in circulating monocytes of patients with post-acute sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC)-like symptoms following COVID-19 vaccines [11], in the vesicular keratinocytes and endothelial cells in the dermis in a patient who had persistent skin lesions due to varicella zoster virus (VZV) reactivation over three months after COVID-19 vaccination [12], and the S protein mRNA was present in the right deltoid and quadriceps muscles of a woman with myositis one month after injection of the BioNTech–Pfizer COVID-19 mRNA vaccine into the left deltoid muscle [13]. Taken as a whole, evidence strongly supports the possible link between inappropriate expression of S protein in sensitive tissues and subsequent tissue damage.”
The virus doesn’t stick around that long unless you are a vaccinated, immunocompromised patient who can not eradicate it fully.
Not hard to find your sore spots. Are you mad bro that I had mild Covid that I mitigated and have broader, more durable immunity than you? Not only dense, but extremely arrogant. Not hard to predict you would respond. I excluded you because I want real scientists and MDs to opine. But you can’t help yourself.
Abstract. The diagnosis of postacute sequelae of coronavirus disease 2019 (PASC) poses an ongoing medical challenge. To identify biomarkers associated with PASC
There is plenty of evidence that COVID infection can cause long (12 months!) expression of spike (and other viral) proteins in patients. Nothing about the timeframes of vaccine expression is notable when compared to the what the virus can do.
Again, I understand why you want to exclude me from your approved rebbutals list, but sadly I am still here to call you out on your antivaxx BS.
Continue to post away, though. Maybe you'll convince another pregnant mother to avoid the vaccine. I'm sure she didn't actually want her kid anyway. All in the name of whatever supplement MLM you are currently indebted to.
So many problems with that disjointed “study,” not the least of which is how many of those patients were vaccinated? They admit correlation is not causation and can’t even say for sure whether they are measuring the full spike antigen. These are long Covid patients and they still can’t find a plurality of biomarkers. Also, they directly claim these are the kinds of patients more prone to illness and hospitalization to begin with, AKA exactly the types of people who SHOULD be vaccinated, which I’ve never argued against. Did you even read the study? My God.
Also, fukking hilarious- this is a joke, right?
“Financial support. G. A. reports support from NIH, Moderna, Inc., Gates Foundation, Pfizer, Sanofi, Janssen, Abbvie, Medicago, Inc., Gilead, and GlaxoSmithKline. D. W. reports support from Mass Consortium for Pathogen Readiness and Amos and Barbara Hostetter.”
So many problems with that disjointed “study,” not the least of which is how many of those patients were vaccinated? They admit correlation is not causation and can’t even say for sure whether they are measuring the full spike antigen. These are long Covid patients and they still can’t find a plurality of biomarkers. Also, they directly claim these are the kinds of patients more prone to illness and hospitalization to begin with, AKA exactly the types of people who SHOULD be vaccinated, which I’ve never argued against. Did you even read the study? My God.
Also, fukking hilarious- this is a joke, right?
“Financial support. G. A. reports support from NIH, Moderna, Inc., Gates Foundation, Pfizer, Sanofi, Janssen, Abbvie, Medicago, Inc., Gilead, and GlaxoSmithKline. D. W. reports support from Mass Consortium for Pathogen Readiness and Amos and Barbara Hostetter.”
Figure 2 clearly shows the vaccination status of 12 of the included patients. The signal is there regardless of vaccination status.
I'm not saying the spike protein is a causative agent of any sort of long-term dysfunction -- in fact that's what you are alleging! I am glad we agree the correlation (presence of spike) is not causation (damage).
You were so caught up poking hole in my evidence that you accidentally agreed with me? Thanks?
Lastly, needing to allege a worldwide scientific conspiracy that is manufacturing evidence en masse to support vaccination does not really make you look calm and rational. It actually make you look antivaxx and Very Mad. I encourage you to reflect on this observation.
The controversy seemingly erupted on Thursday, when M.I.A. tweeted: “If Alex Jones pays for lying shouldn’t every celebrity pushing vaccines pay too?”
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M.I.A. has long been skeptical of Covid-19 vaccines, declaring in 2020 that she would “choose death” over the coronavirus jab. Her latest comments came after Pfizer executive Janine Small told European lawmakers that the company didn’t test whether its vaccine prevented transmission of Covid-19 before bringing it to market.
In an interview with The Guardian on Friday, M.I.A. defended her stance on vaccines. “I know three people who have died from taking the vaccine and I know three people who have died from Covid,” she told the British newspaper. “If anyone is going to deny that experience and gaslight me, saying: ‘No, that’s not your experience,’ then what is the point of anything?”
The controversy seemingly erupted on Thursday, when M.I.A. tweeted: “If Alex Jones pays for lying shouldn’t every celebrity pushing vaccines pay too?”
[..]
M.I.A. has long been skeptical of Covid-19 vaccines, declaring in 2020 that she would “choose death” over the coronavirus jab. Her latest comments came after Pfizer executive Janine Small told European lawmakers that the company didn’t test whether its vaccine prevented transmission of Covid-19 before bringing it to market.
In an interview with The Guardian on Friday, M.I.A. defended her stance on vaccines. “I know three people who have died from taking the vaccine and I know three people who have died from Covid,” she told the British newspaper. “If anyone is going to deny that experience and gaslight me, saying: ‘No, that’s not your experience,’ then what is the point of anything?”
Tabloid readers such as yourself rarely have much to contribute to a conversation. Continue to babble and spam, though. Even a gorilla needs lesser apes to gawk at.
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This has been known since the EUA. Plenty of studies after the EUA showed the vaccine does reduce transmission, even with Omicron.
Recycle some more stuff. At least you are transparently dumb, unlike some of the other antivaxxers here who put a veneer of rationality and competency over their babbling antivaxxer brains. Ah well, it reveals itself soon enough.
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I think the point is that for quite some time we've been reassured continually that the spike protein from injections remains local. Evidence continues to mount that this isn't the case (dysregulation of the menstrual cycle should have been an early tipoff). This represents a clear failure in our understanding of the mechanism of the vaccines, and it's not fair to just sweep it under the rug like it's no big deal because COVID is worse. It is in fact a big deal and it shouldn't be happening.
Comparing to COVID infection isn't a 1:1 comparison for two reasons: a) a significant part of the population has had 4-5 vaccines, but very few people have been infected that many times, and b) the vast majority of vaccinated people still have gotten COVID 1-2 times.
Hopefully the right people will look into what's happening and future iterations of the vaccine will solve the problem so that those who choose to get further vaccinated aren't exposed to whatever ancillary things may be happening. If it turns out to be an unavoidable consequence of mRNA technology, then perhaps other vaccine forms may be preferable.
The EUA packet for (at least) one of the included luciferase assays in rats that showed transient levels of expression (or migration) outside the injection site (mainly in the liver, big surprise). This has been known since literally day 1 of the vaccination campaign. The only failure is for the vaccine 'skeptics' (I use that term with extreme derision) to keep up with the foundational science.
Right, it of course moved in lymph and obviously to liver for detox. But it wasn't supposed to be in significant quantities in the adrenal glands and ovaries, as the Japanese clinical trials found. Which means it's almost surely traveling in the blood. The CDC also changed their tune about the durability of the spike protein, or at least began to hedge their bets. There was indeed a pivot as more info became available. It's not as insignificant as you make it out to be.
The EUA packet for (at least) one of the included luciferase assays in rats that showed transient levels of expression (or migration) outside the injection site (mainly in the liver, big surprise). This has been known since literally day 1 of the vaccination campaign. The only failure is for the vaccine 'skeptics' (I use that term with extreme derision) to keep up with the foundational science.
Right, it of course moved in lymph and obviously to liver for detox. But it wasn't supposed to be in significant quantities in the adrenal glands and ovaries, as the Japanese clinical trials found. Which means it's almost surely traveling in the blood. The CDC also changed their tune about the durability of the spike protein, or at least began to hedge their bets. There was indeed a pivot as more info became available. It's not as insignificant as you make it out to be.
"supposed to be"
I didn't realize we had executive authority over the circulatory system.
A lot of these "detection" studies are detecting picogram equivalents of mRNA (vaccine does was 10-30 micrograms) in distal organs. That's not really showing much of note...
Hand wringing over the presence of spike protein seems trivial give the amounts of spike protein made during COVID infection.
Why do antivaxxers argue in such bad faith? And if you're going to troll, at least make it entertaining and put some creativity in it. This is getting as bad as the climate change denial threads we see every week.
Pfizer and the media drove home the fear narrative that you would kill grandma if you didn't get vaccinated, that it was selfish to not get vaccinated. This is why many families disinvited each other during the holidays.
Will they ever own up to their claims about the vax halting or reducing transmission, let alone the laughably ridiculous claims that the shots were "100%" safe and effective?
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Right, it of course moved in lymph and obviously to liver for detox. But it wasn't supposed to be in significant quantities in the adrenal glands and ovaries, as the Japanese clinical trials found. Which means it's almost surely traveling in the blood. The CDC also changed their tune about the durability of the spike protein, or at least began to hedge their bets. There was indeed a pivot as more info became available. It's not as insignificant as you make it out to be.
I didn't realize we had executive authority over the circulatory system.
That's the point. Oversold the hand, promising things that were not in our control. Now for the rewriting of history, and the claims that we always knew this and it wasn't a big deal.
Also, COVID to vaccine is not a 1:1 comparison, as has been stated before. More people have gotten 4-5 vaccines than have gotten COVID 4-5 times, and even people who are heavily vaccinated have almost all gotten COVID at least once.
