"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Youre asking for a lot of data that doesnt exist or would cost $$$ to collect. It's stupid to expect the medical system to conduct a observational study for every random claim anti-vaxxers come up with, but it's very convenient for the anti-vaxxers to just keep coming with more "data" that "the establishment" is "hiding" from us.

We don't have the funding or time to constant surveil and record every new diagnosis, symptom, etc. with all the metadata you ask for. Please write to your Congresspeople to ask for 10X more money for clinical observational studies and a nationwide re-vamp of EMRs.

The way science works is: develop a hypothesis, then test it, not cast a giant net pick out the one uncontrolled data point and scream about out. Remember, if your cutoff is p <0.05, essentially 1/20 effects you find will be false positives.

Here's an analysis of myocarditis from a ways back:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7027e2-H.pdf

75 still alive wrote:

That's a huge amount of negative effects.

Does anyone know if Cooper Teare has recovered from the booster shot yet?

2600 bro wrote:

But 20% of people getting a headache is not particularly unexpected after a vaccination

Cardiac issues, blood clots and heart attacks are way beyond just getting a headache, and people shouldn't be getting headaches either.

I haven't had any of the shots and I'm perfectly fine.

People are trying to confuse you and make you buy their stuff.

Exactly, and I'm not buying into it.

Does anyone know if Cooper Teare has recovered from the booster shot yet?

75 still alive wrote:

75 still alive wrote:

That's a huge amount of negative effects.

Does anyone know if Cooper Teare has recovered from the booster shot yet?

2600 bro wrote:

But 20% of people getting a headache is not particularly unexpected after a vaccination

Cardiac issues, blood clots and heart attacks are way beyond just getting a headache, and people shouldn't be getting headaches either.

I haven't had any of the shots and I'm perfectly fine.

People are trying to confuse you and make you buy their stuff.

Exactly, and I'm not buying into it.

Does anyone know if Cooper Teare has recovered from the booster shot yet?

Notice how you have zero data to support that any of "Cardiac issues, blood clots and heart attacks" are happening in high numbers, whereas I can show all the drama around "hidden" side-effects is just the same low-grade stuff from the trials. I'm sorry want immune stimulation to be minor side-effect free - you don't understand anything about basic biology. If you're actually 75 and not vaccinated you should thank all your acquaintances for protecting you so far.

2600 bro wrote:

75 still alive wrote:

Cardiac issues, blood clots and heart attacks are way beyond just getting a headache, and people shouldn't be getting headaches either.

I haven't had any of the shots and I'm perfectly fine.

Exactly, and I'm not buying into it.

Does anyone know if Cooper Teare has recovered from the booster shot yet?

Notice how you have zero data to support that any of "Cardiac issues, blood clots and heart attacks" are happening in high numbers, whereas I can show all the drama around "hidden" side-effects is just the same low-grade stuff from the trials. I'm sorry want immune stimulation to be minor side-effect free - you don't understand anything about basic biology. If you're actually 75 and not vaccinated you should thank all your acquaintances for protecting you so far.

Must be the dirt he sticks his face in, and the borax baths he takes daily, that have made his natural 'munity so strong. Wish him the best regardless...

joed|rt2 wrote:

There is no delta or omicron pandemic without the vaccinated. The only way those two variants make it across the globe with the travel restrictions in place at the time (and become the very definition of a pandemic) is through vaccinated individuals. So, instead of trying to point the finger at the unvaccinated (who are not allowed to casually go globe trotting). Point the finger at the actual offenders - the globe trotting, fully vaxxed, Biden voting rich. Both variants came to this country under his watch and with vaccine mandates on international travel. This is truly a pandemic of the vaccinated.

The only reason the unvaccinated are not going globetrotting is because they compose the bottom quartile of society, the troglodytes, imbeciles, and general bad actors that have neither the means nor the interest in traveling beyond their caves.

This much is apparent to everyone outside their sad situation.

But congrats, dumb Trump voters are only at fault for filling hospitals and dying disproportionately from the disease. Not for getting minor breakthrough infections. Real admirable.

Another mic drop

Antivaxxers don’t understand statistics but definitely understand being absolutely terrified of something they don’t understand.

They did track this data for months. All the things you are fearful of are short term effects! They have been caught by the trials and studies. I wonder if you ask that every drug with a known very rate side effect conduct detail, controlled studies for that side effect -for the entire time the drug is on the market-?

Aspirin can cause brain bleeding. Do you ask they Bayer maintain a clinical trial for 100 years to track this very rare side effect? Unless you have a reason to think myocarditis rates have increased (and remember this is a short term side effect) why are the several studies done last spring not enough?

let's think wrote:

This is ultimate gaslighting to pretend these side effects aren't a big deal. People who live healthy lifestyles are not at risk from covid and should never take a drug with this many side effects.

COVID is more likely to cause all of those side effects in healthy people than the vaccine.

If you characterize healthy people as “not at risk of COVID” then you must say the same about the vaccine. Basic math and logic.

Too easy to own the moronic antivaxxer takes tonight. Too easy. Do better

Harambe wrote:

let's think wrote:

This is ultimate gaslighting to pretend these side effects aren't a big deal. People who live healthy lifestyles are not at risk from covid and should never take a drug with this many side effects.

COVID is more likely to cause all of those side effects in healthy people than the vaccine.

If you characterize healthy people as “not at risk of COVID” then you must say the same about the vaccine. Basic math and logic.

Too easy to own the moronic antivaxxer takes tonight. Too easy. Do better

I’ll add this too:

People just have no clue about the frequency of side effect that are reported in clinical trials.

Remember 15% of people reported a side effect in the control arm for the vaccines vs 25% in the vaccine. When you tell people to observes themselves suddenly lots of things pop up 🤔

2600 bro wrote:

Notice how you have zero data to support that any of "Cardiac issues, blood clots and heart attacks" are happening in high numbers, whereas I can show all the drama around "hidden" side-effects is just the same low-grade stuff from the trials. I'm sorry want immune stimulation to be minor side-effect free - you don't understand anything about basic biology. If you're actually 75 and not vaccinated you should thank all your acquaintances for protecting you so far.

Actually I understand biology and physiology quite well and much better than you do.

But go ahead and keep taking your poisonous shots and thinking the poisons will somehow make you healthy.

The truth is that the body doesn't work that way, and no one protects me but myself.

75 still alive wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Notice how you have zero data to support that any of "Cardiac issues, blood clots and heart attacks" are happening in high numbers, whereas I can show all the drama around "hidden" side-effects is just the same low-grade stuff from the trials. I'm sorry want immune stimulation to be minor side-effect free - you don't understand anything about basic biology. If you're actually 75 and not vaccinated you should thank all your acquaintances for protecting you so far.

Actually I understand biology and physiology quite well and much better than you do.

But go ahead and keep taking your poisonous shots and thinking the poisons will somehow make you healthy.

The truth is that the body doesn't work that way, and no one protects me but myself.

That's a very long winded way to say: "no"

You're welcome to do what you want. But I am quite sure, deep down, you understand the risk you are taking, the burden you place on your loved ones, and how you viewed by civilized society.

Harambe wrote:

The only reason the unvaccinated are not going globetrotting is because they compose the bottom quartile of society, the troglodytes, imbeciles, and general bad actors that have neither the means nor the interest in traveling beyond their caves.

So, you're calling African Americans the "bottom quartile of society, the troglodytes, imbeciles, and general bad actors that have neither the means nor the interest in traveling beyond their caves," because people of color have higher rates of vaccine hesitancy than whites?

You sound like a racist Harambe! You need to get off your freaking high-horse & quit harassing & insulting the vaccine hesitant! I've had enough your crap! 😡

Can't believe what I'm hearing wrote:

Harambe wrote:

The only reason the unvaccinated are not going globetrotting is because they compose the bottom quartile of society, the troglodytes, imbeciles, and general bad actors that have neither the means nor the interest in traveling beyond their caves.

So, you're calling African Americans the "bottom quartile of society, the troglodytes, imbeciles, and general bad actors that have neither the means nor the interest in traveling beyond their caves," because people of color have higher rates of vaccine hesitancy than whites?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.org/news/article/black-americans-are-getting-vaccinated-at-lower-rates-than-white-americans/amp/https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-black-young-new-yorkers.amp.html

You sound like a racist Harambe! You need to get off your freaking high-horse & quit harassing & insulting the vaccine hesitant! I've had enough your crap! 😡

We don’t play the woke games here.

COVID idiocy knows no race, creed, or gender sadly.

Can't believe what I'm hearing wrote:

Harambe wrote:

The only reason the unvaccinated are not going globetrotting is because they compose the bottom quartile of society, the troglodytes, imbeciles, and general bad actors that have neither the means nor the interest in traveling beyond their caves.

So, you're calling African Americans the "bottom quartile of society, the troglodytes, imbeciles, and general bad actors that have neither the means nor the interest in traveling beyond their caves," because people of color have higher rates of vaccine hesitancy than whites?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.org/news/article/black-americans-are-getting-vaccinated-at-lower-rates-than-white-americans/amp/https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-black-young-new-yorkers.amp.html

You sound like a racist Harambe! You need to get off your freaking high-horse & quit harassing & insulting the vaccine hesitant! I've had enough your crap! 😡

It's adorable that you think this is some sort of gotcha. A complete self-own and it tells wonders about you that you feel you need to bring the issue of race into this.

WTF? You think it is okay for some foot soldier of the pharma industry to keep insulting & demeaning the vaccine hesitant? My wife is a person of color and vaccine hesitant who is appalled at his heavy handed derogatory comments about the vaccine hesitant. She's an avid runner & reads these posts

Can't believe what I'm hearing wrote:

WTF? You think it is okay for some foot soldier of the pharma industry to keep insulting & demeaning the vaccine hesitant? My wife is a person of color and vaccine hesitant who is appalled at his heavy handed derogatory comments about the vaccine hesitant. She's an avid runner & reads these posts

Welcome to the real world. Where people judge you harshly for stupid decisions. Thanks for playing.

If this wasn't so serious, it would be funny. I'm told "FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!" I say, "Show me the science" and I'm told, "We can't show you the science. It doesn't exist. It would be too expensive to actually DO the science." Sorry, I literally had to stop typing as I laughed at that!

Sorry... still laughing... okay back to my points.

1. I used myocarditis as an example. There are multiple other short term effects that have been reported. I want to see data on all of them.

2. You wrote "All the things you are fearful of are short term effects!" Thank you for agreeing with me on that. Since we are seeing a known problem, we should be tracking them for the long term and those of us who are concerned should be able to see that data.

3. Would I ask for every drug to be tracked? I would definitely ask for a drug that has been effectively mandated to continue to be tested for at least a few years, yes I would.

4. I would also like to see data on cardiac events, blood clots, and all the other side effects that have been reported (but suppressed) by the establishment. I'm sure that they are coded somehow and that this data is reported somehow. I want to see it sorted by age (recorded) and vaccination status (recorded). I think if you asked a hospital administrator, "How many cardiac events has your ER seen in the past week?" he could get the answer. If he wanted to see the data sorted by vaccination status, it would be a relatively easy database sort.

5. I would also like to see data on excess deaths sorted by vaccination status and by age over time. The UK has this. I've seen the charts. Surely, we can do it too.

6. Aspirin is a straw man argument. You're better than that. I won't address it.

Oh, well, realistically, the horse is out of the barn. The majority of adults are vaccinated. The vaccine is leaky and the coronavirus will continue to spread among the unvaccinated and the vaccinated until it mutates to either a form that is harmless or that can evade the vaccine (as Omicron apparently can do).

You don't have a choice now. You can't get unvaccinated so you're all-in on your position. I hope it works for you.

I've read enough about Fauci now that I wouldn't buy a used car from him. I'm certainly not going to trust him with my life. If you want to know what has happened behind the scenes over the past two years, read the first chapter of The Real Anthony Fauci. It's so popular that when I type a "t" in the search window at Amazon, it shows up as one of the choices.

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Nothing says science like made up cartoons created to induce fear.