"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

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Antivaxxers, as usual, resort to making things up as they have zero evidence.

fisky wrote:

Pfizer unblinded the clinical trials after six months. There is no longer a control group. The clinical trial is effectively over. There's not even a requirement that Pfizer issue a six-month report.

You can't say, "Follow the science" and then ignore the science when it doesn't fit your position. You have to be intellectually honest.

Fisky can you explain more about this to some of us lay people out there. What does that exactly mean "Pfizer unblinded the clinic trials after six months?" How long do they normally keep the trials going before unblinded? (what does "unblinded" actually mean?). And what is the control group (is it the placebo group or group that received the vaccine). So, what's the verdict here: nothing unusual that Pfizer did or something nefarious that no one wants to talk about?

76% of Omicron cases in Israel are people in the "protected" category (42 out of 55)

Their Prime Minister rants about the vaccination rate.

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Newly verified Omicron cases on Saturday brought the number of confirmed infections from the variant in Israel to 55.

The ministry said Saturday night that 42 people infected with Omicron were “protected,” which it defines as those who had received a booster shot, or who received their first two vaccine doses or recovered from COVID-19 within the past six months. The other 13 cases were listed as “unprotected.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-warns-of-lockdown-if-immediate-steps-not-taken-to-curb-omicron/

Well, ok then wrote:

Why do you behave like a petulant child?

Because he's a troll. Most people alreadiy knew that about c9 (aka TU), but perhaps you're new here.

As with any troll, c9 is just after responses. Any responses are fine, because they mean the attention that trolls so desperately crave.

The way to get rid of trolls is to *not respond* to any of their posts. Starve a troll today.

There is no delta or omicron pandemic without the vaccinated. The only way those two variants make it across the globe with the travel restrictions in place at the time (and become the very definition of a pandemic) is through vaccinated individuals. So, instead of trying to point the finger at the unvaccinated (who are not allowed to casually go globe trotting). Point the finger at the actual offenders - the globe trotting, fully vaxxed, Biden voting rich. Both variants came to this country under his watch and with vaccine mandates on international travel. This is truly a pandemic of the vaccinated.

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

fisky wrote:

Pfizer unblinded the clinical trials after six months. There is no longer a control group. The clinical trial is effectively over. There's not even a requirement that Pfizer issue a six-month report.

You can't say, "Follow the science" and then ignore the science when it doesn't fit your position. You have to be intellectually honest.

Fisky can you explain more about this to some of us lay people out there. What does that exactly mean "Pfizer unblinded the clinic trials after six months?" How long do they normally keep the trials going before unblinded? (what does "unblinded" actually mean?). And what is the control group (is it the placebo group or group that received the vaccine). So, what's the verdict here: nothing unusual that Pfizer did or something nefarious that no one wants to talk about?

Sure. In a double-blind clinical trial, subjects don't know whether they received the vaccine or the placebo. Unblinded means that Pfizer allowed all participants to see their status and encouraged the control group to get vaccinated shortly after the vaccine was released. Since they were volunteers to get vaxxed already, they jumped at the chance. A couple of months later, over 16,500 of the 18,000+ in the control group had been vaccinated.

As a result, there is no way to compare the long-term effects of the vaccine!

Pfizer claims it was done because it wasn't ethical to prevent these volunteers from getting vaccinated. The reality is that it conveniently bypasses any ability to track the long-term effects of the vaccine. WORSE, it prevents any long-term control studies of the boosters!

I don't know how often trials are unblinded. I do know that it is not the standard protocol. Clinical trials are typically not unblinded until the trial is over. In this case, the Pfizer vaccine trial was due to close in January 2023.

Once again, "follow the science" means science by fiat. I.e., science by proclamation.

Thanks fisky...appreciate the response. Let me make sure I understand this: In a high-quality, ethically sound clinic trial the researchers wouldn't want to unblind the trial until the pre-set closing date? (in this case January 2023). I take this to be so that the researchers can follow the vaccinated group vs unvaccinated group (control group?) over a long period of time in comparing health outcomes in both groups? So, if a certain percentage of the vaccinated group is developing health issues whereas the control group is not developing any of those same health problems then one could conclude there's long-term safety issues with the vaccine which would affect the approval process? (how am I doing fisky - am I on the right track here?).

And if it's not standard protocol to unblind a clinic trial very early, then what is Phifzer trying to accomplish here? We would need to wait until January, 2023, to be able to accurately evaluate any long-term safety issues? And with Phifzer unblinded so early & encouraging the control group to get vaccinated, how in the heck did the FDA give full approval instead of leaving it in an experimental status category? This sounds absolutely crazy & unprofessional, let alone unethical.

So, in summary there's is no & will not be any long-term safety data but the vaccine hesitant get coerced, harassed & forced to take an experimental vaccine?

Wow!...just wow!

Typically if the results are conclusive it's unethical not to unblind it. You are causing illness and deaths by not letting people have a treatment. So it all depends.

It's basically impossible to ever have long term safety data on treatments for mutating illnesses (by the time the long term study has been done, they are out of date). However, there's certainly a lot more evidence for long term illnesses from covid than from vaccines, and that's from various health sources like government health services, completely ignoring pharma companies own studies.

So you have a choice, trust all the evidence that there is, admitting it's never complete. Or just risk all the dangers in case something happens there is no real evidence for. I know which side of the fence I am, even if not ideal.

As Well..... said, when the results are conclusive, studies may be unblinded. Now, your second question is more difficult to answer. In the final report, Pfizer reported MORE all-cause deaths in the vaccinated group than in the unvaccinated group. It was 21 vaxxed deaths vs. 15?, I think, deaths in the unvaxxed group. More to the point, the deaths in the unvaxxed were in a variety of causes, whereas the deaths in the vaxxed group were the same conditions that some doctors are reporting that they are seeing more often in their vaccinated patients and in ER visits. A longer study *might* have resulted in more illnesses/deaths in these key conditions in the vaxxed group. Because the study was unblinded, we'll never know.

It's also worth noting that in the early mRNA studies in animals, one quarter of the animals died from similar conditions.

Was this a factor in why Fauci and Pfizer rushed to get EUA and then Pfizer rushed to get the study unblinded? I'd suggest you read The Real Anthony Fauci and form your own opinion. I'd recommend the ebook. The audiobook narrator is boring.

Sometimes it deemed unethical to continue a blinded trial after the primary endpoints and safety assessments are complete. Surely you must understand that we can't have blinded trials for every drug for a decade plus. All the follow up trials (ages, boosters, etc.) are blinded yet again. This is another case of the anti-vax grifters asking for data far beyond what is required for any drug, ever, and then pointing to refusal from the medical establishment as something nefarious.

What are these "early mRNA studies in animals" people have been delivering RNA in a variety of ways for 20-30 years. I implore you not to get hyped up by people cherry picking and distorting data to make a quick $ from the gullible.

We now have hundreds of millions of people vaccinated and have yet to see safety signals in any population!

That's a huge amount of negative effects.

Does anyone know if Cooper Teare has recovered from the booster shot yet?

75 still alive wrote:

That's a huge amount of negative effects.

Does anyone know if Cooper Teare has recovered from the booster shot yet?

Yes they can scare laypeople with lists of adverse events. But 20% of people getting a headache is not particularly unexpected after a vaccination and not any different from the original trial adverse event rates.

Here you can see 27% of people reported "any adverse event" in the treatment arm of the original trial and 12% of people reported an event in the control arm.

There is nothing unexpected, hidden, or nefarious here. People are trying to confuse you and make you buy their stuff.

This is ultimate gaslighting to pretend these side effects aren't a big deal. People who live healthy lifestyles are not at risk from covid and should never take a drug with this many side effects.

2600 bro wrote:

75 still alive wrote:

That's a huge amount of negative effects.

Does anyone know if Cooper Teare has recovered from the booster shot yet?

Yes they can scare laypeople with lists of adverse events. But 20% of people getting a headache is not particularly unexpected after a vaccination and not any different from the original trial adverse event rates.

Here you can see 27% of people reported "any adverse event" in the treatment arm of the original trial and 12% of people reported an event in the control arm.

There is nothing unexpected, hidden, or nefarious here. People are trying to confuse you and make you buy their stuff.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577/suppl_file/nejmoa2034577_appendix.pdf

Constantly erasing your cookies, while switching accounts, seems to have messed up your link.

joed|rt2 wrote:

There is no delta or omicron pandemic without the vaccinated. The only way those two variants make it across the globe with the travel restrictions in place at the time (and become the very definition of a pandemic) is through vaccinated individuals. So, instead of trying to point the finger at the unvaccinated (who are not allowed to casually go globe trotting). Point the finger at the actual offenders - the globe trotting, fully vaxxed, Biden voting rich. Both variants came to this country under his watch and with vaccine mandates on international travel. This is truly a pandemic of the vaccinated.

This is a good point. I would go full-on partisan on it, but it's a good point.

wouldn't

Well... most countries realize it would be suicide to allow unvaccinated people to enter their borders with no restrictions. You can still travel to many places without vax you just need a test before hand.

The truth is that, in the US, the unvaccinated and international globetrotter cohorts do not overlap much.

Two shots won't do it, but three will. There are people in the UK who will actually believe Boris Johnson.

The "vaccines" have become a vehicle for mass hysteria.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10302033/Boris-Johnson-ramps-Covid-booster-rollout-tackle-Omicron.html

DanM, you never answer my questions, just post the same boomer spam.

Do you have kids? Did you allow them to take the 5 dose TDaP vaccine?

Why are you so confused that vaccines sometimes require multiple boosters?