Sandra Vi going for record across America

SANDY VI: 5-MILE SPLITS FOR OCT 19th

Time of Day: Miles completed

02:28 AM: 0

03:48 AM: 5

04:58 AM: 10

MILESTONE: 05:55 AM: 14 miles. Reaches the Mississippi. Goodbye Iowa. Hello Illinois.

06:13 AM: 15

07:18 AM: 20

08:21 AM: 25

09:27 AM: 30

10:08-10:39 AM: 33 Lunch Break (31 minutes)

11:07 AM: 35

12:14 PM: 40

So far today wrote:

And, no all breaks are not included in Mimi's data because her team admitted they turn off the trackers through out the day. You can only use Garmin data which has actual times in it. Mimi's times of a run are similar to a runner who stops during a run, stops the watch, and then restarts, and then claims they beat the person who finished ahead of them. Use the Garmin time points and ignore Mimi's Strava times of her runs.

I don't think this is correct. You may be confusing the live tracker (Garmin inReach) with the Suunto watch data that's later uploaded to Movescount and Strava. The Suunto data includes the actual *time of day* for each data point, so if it were paused and restarted it would be clear. From everything I've seen, Mimi logs one continuous Suunto activity for her pre-lunch run, and another for the post-lunch run, with no pausing of the watch.

Unfortunately it did not work out that way. The LetsRun board was already lighting up with posts questioning her attempt.

Sam, in your article, you say that LRC was already questioning Mimi's run from the start when this is definitely not the case at all. If you read through this thread and look at the time line of events, you will see that we didn't even question Mimi's integrity until the suspicious activities occurred. In fact, we all thought Mimi was legit. Even I said many times that Mimi is legit. It is important to make that clear because it is one of the key memes on URC trying to paint us as just a bunch of "haterz" when that is so clearly not the case.

I will provide a more accurate timeline of events in my report.

I am correct. I am using the starting times and ending times according to Garmin. When Mimi shows a shorter time that Garmin does it means she is not keeping the tracker on. With Sandy's Strava data the elapsed time is identical with her Garmin start of day until the end of the day.

Use the Suunto data as much as you like. But provide an explanation how it is possible for Mimi to cover a distance faster than Sandy while the Garmin data says she did not.

Anyway, for pacing use Mimi's Garmin data for start and end of the day to properly compare against Sandy's data. If you like, remove the break times, but remove them for both. Choose a consistent way and then the data will make more sense.

Damn trolls. Please change the subject line back to Sandy Vi Runs Across America. I consider anyone who changes the subject line to be a troll. Sorry, trolls.

Yes, okay, that's a fair point. In a previous reply, I calculated Mimi and Sandra's overall pace over the whole run and agreed with you that Sandra was running faster than Mimi on the whole. However, I did not exclude Sandra's lunch breaks, so she is even faster than I thought. That was a mistake, but doesn't change that it agreed with your point.

However, the lunch breaks do not affect the cadence plots - you can see them in Sandra's plot as a little hump at the very left. Removing them does not change the fact that most of her running is at a cadence centred at around 170, whilst Mimi has a bimodal plot showing equal split between about 134 and 182. It is probably fairer to call these "shuffling" and "running". Note that I am talking about cadence, and not pace

I said that Mimi's cadence was 10 spm faster than Sandra's, not pace. But yes, the pace plots match a similar breakdown between shuffling and running. But walking is probably much less consistent and will be spread out over these plots. They are density plots so show where the most consistent values lie. By saying that the cadence was faster, I meant the cadence of when they are actually moving at a consistent rate (which is consistently within a certain range for both of them). None of this makes any assertions about the overall speed and which one is faster. I could run really fast for half a marathon, and then walk the rest and be beaten by somebody running the whole race at a medium pace. But if you plot our cadence/pace, they will show that the peak for the faster runner is at a higher pace than for the slower runner. It doesn't mean the faster runner won. I hope that you don't think that the comparison was supposed to be an insult to Sandra? It really wasn't,

But that's the tracker not the Strava. Maybe it's different for other runs (in particular, maybe in those first few weeks?), but in these few days that I have looked at, the watches were not stopped. The raw Strava data uses actual date times, not watch time. All of my analyses are based on time of day, so if they are all 1 second apart there are no breaks. The only break is the lunch break which is accounted for in Sandra's but not Mimi's data. I will check that this does not affect anything, but since most of what I have done is plot pretty pictures it should do nothing more than if you put your finger up on the screen to cover them up.

scam_watcheroo wrote:

Unfortunately it did not work out that way. The LetsRun board was already lighting up with posts questioning her attempt.

Sam, in your article, you say that LRC was already questioning Mimi's run from the start when this is definitely not the case at all. If you read through this thread and look at the time line of events, you will see that we didn't even question Mimi's integrity until the suspicious activities occurred. In fact, we all thought Mimi was legit. Even I said many times that Mimi is legit. It is important to make that clear because it is one of the key memes on URC trying to paint us as just a bunch of "haterz" when that is so clearly not the case.

I will provide a more accurate timeline of events in my report.

Well there was a post started well before the attempt that certainly had an air of questioning her integrity (started by user "BootsReady"), as well as the Ben Rogers post which I believe was before the start? But you're correct, and I was certainly trying very hard to avoid getting into "haterz" territory. It certainly wasn't intended to read that way, but I am happy to clarify the order of events.

So far today wrote:

Damn trolls. Please change the subject line back to Sandy Vi Runs Across America. I consider anyone who changes the subject line to be a troll. Sorry, trolls.

Sorry that was my fault. I thought putting a subject for a new message was standard practice, didn't realise it completely threw off the thread subject.

You should be able to figure out when Mimi's injury started, more or less. and you should see deterioration after that. The injury date start appears to be October 3rd.

Micro videos Tim Anderson provided first showing Mimi meandering along the road when she crossed the Mississippi River (Tim said it was the wind). And then of Mimi running for 3-seconds obviously favoring her left leg and then 8 seconds of putting her hand on her left hip/lower back and looking to be in pain (Tim said all systems normal). Then there were two medical stops before the final medical stop where the severely damaged knee was finally enough for the show to end. The event should have been stopped days before that. Mimi has no cartilage left in her right knee, the one that was operated on a year ago. She was grinding bone on bone for who knows how long.

stupid runner wrote:

Well there was a post started well before the attempt that certainly had an air of questioning her integrity (started by user "BootsReady"), as well as the Ben Rogers post which I believe was before the start? But you're correct, and I was certainly trying very hard to avoid getting into "haterz" territory. It certainly wasn't intended to read that way, but I am happy to clarify the order of events.

I think you will find everybody gets questioned on LRC. It is the norm for there to be questions for any events of this sort. You will even see posts from me in some of the links you linked to where I say Mimi is legit (before all the incidents occurred).

Also, there was never any response to the question about Mimi's connection with real estate scammer Ben Rogers.

stupid runner wrote:

So far today wrote:

Damn trolls. Please change the subject line back to Sandy Vi Runs Across America. I consider anyone who changes the subject line to be a troll. Sorry, trolls.

Sorry that was my fault. I thought putting a subject for a new message was standard practice, didn't realise it completely threw off the thread subject.

I know you were the one who started that. Be aware of the budding genius troll who infested this forum attacking everyone who questioned anything to do Mimi that wasn't Mimi approved. He always changed the thread subject to fit his agenda.

I think Mimi's knee was already injured way before Oct. 3rd. Remember when I posted some of Tim Anderson's Facebook videos from before that date showing Mimi having great difficulty even going up or down a few RV stairs steps? I would even wager that Mimi was already injured very early on in the transcon.

scam_watcheroo wrote:

I think you will find everybody gets questioned on LRC. It is the norm for there to be questions for any events of this sort. You will even see posts from me in some of the links you linked to where I say Mimi is legit (before all the incidents occurred).

Also, there was never any response to the question about Mimi's connection with real estate scammer Ben Rogers.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/posts/8425540

And I fully support questioning, particularly after Robert Young et al. Whilst I didn't really have any stake in that one, I was naive in that I didn't believe somebody would go to that much effort. I can't speak to Ben Rogers, but Mimi is friendly with most people in the ultra running world in the UK. I don't think that she vets everybody.

Anyway, as I say I don't claim this to be a cast iron case, and I certainly haven't seen nor addressed every issue that people have raised in this post, but hopefully it's at least swung people back towards not guilty at least a bit (on the data faking thing anyway). Looking forward to seeing your report.

scam_watcheroo wrote:

I think Mimi's knee was already injured way before Oct. 3rd. Remember when I posted some of Tim Anderson's Facebook videos from before that date showing Mimi having great difficulty even going up or down a few RV stairs steps? I would even wager that Mimi was already injured very early on in the transcon.

We all realize that Mimi was injured long before she stopped. That is the real message here. Learn when to stop. Rely on real medical professionals--ones who are runners. Don't severely injure yourself.

SANDY VI: 5-MILE SPLITS FOR OCT 19th

Time of Day: Miles completed

02:28 AM: 0

03:48 AM: 5

04:58 AM: 10

MILESTONE: 05:55 AM: 14 miles. Reaches the Mississippi. Goodbye Iowa. Hello Illinois.

06:13 AM: 15

07:18 AM: 20

08:21 AM: 25

09:27 AM: 30

10:08-10:39 AM: 33 Lunch Break (31 minutes)

11:07 AM: 35

12:14 PM: 40

01:21 PM: 45

So far today wrote:

I know you were the one who started that. Be aware of the budding genius troll who infested this forum attacking everyone who questioned anything to do Mimi that wasn't Mimi approved. He always changed the thread subject to fit his agenda.

In fact, changing the subject line is often to match the message that is posted.

It is slightly annoying when people return a long chain of email comments, without updating the subject line. For example it might have started out "good morning," and ended up talking about going to a dance, but the subject still says "good morning." Fortunately this is not much of an issue, as I almost always change the subject myself when the topic changes, even within a broad subject. For example, if this forum had the capability of searching subject lines, in this thread they almost all be the same.

As I occasionally change subject lines to match the sub topic in my message, and did so in this thread once, "So far today" immediately called me budding genius, which made me think that HE was the troll, to which I immediately responded and called him out, later to realized he appeared to be legitimate, and now I see the reason for that. In fact I early on noticed the impropriety in the reporting of Mimi's crew, and paid note to her weak responded to questions about reporting that were asked in a pre race interview, and I'm convinced that her actual mileage was far short of the mileage reported.

With this being said, I considered respecting "So far today's" obsession about keeping the subject line the same, but see absolutely no reason to do that. In the least it's quite a needless admonition, with no relation to the primary topics of this thread.

/rant over ~ change the subject line how you see fit

~ no need to keep the same one that "I" have posted for the rest of the thread.

Sam, can you ask Mimi if you will consider releasing all the uncut video from the film crew on her run? She can mute all the audio if she wants. Mimi and her team keep ignoring all my messages. It would save us all a lot of time if we can just get the uncut video like we've asked for so many times.

[quote]False flags wrote:

In fact, changing the subject line is often to match the message that is posted.

/quote]

Ahem, nope. You are wrong. Subject line changes are an easy way to out a troll. Your response was so prompt it is obvious you are trolling the thread.

Now that Tim and Jenny have nothing else to do today they are trolling LRC.

Hi guys! Have a nice trip home!