Paul Ryan's marathon

Night Runner wrote:

I agree with runtime. Rojo is embarassing himself and letsrun by trying to justify what Ryan said. Even the republicans were pretty unanimous in saying that Ryan lied repeatedly during his acceptance speech, so the marathon time lie was merely a prelude. Shame on Rojo and Ryan. If the right wing ROJO can't be you know what, then he needs to keep politics out of his forum. But apparently anything goes.

This really upsets me; perhaps the only time I have gotten upset with him. But this stinks of right wing politics gone astray.

Yes, it's quite incomprehensible.

There's the stuff of a major scoop right here in the forum of LetsRun.com - and the Johnson brothers leave it up to Runner's World to break the news, probably because they cannot imagine that a guy who's touting their political line might be a cheater in his running.

I admire the work that they put in this great website - but this journalistic failure is simply stupid.

There's so much wrong with this post, I don't even know where to start.

1. Citation, please.

2, 4, and 5. After December 2008 there were a handful of Isuzu employees cranking out 25 trucks a week while working in an almost completely empty plant.

3. Citation please

6 and, er.. 6. Without Obama's bailout, something which Romney strongly opposed, GM would be out of business. While the government made GM's survival possible, Obama does not run GM. Whether GM retools Janesville, or, does anything else, is up to GM.

By the way, arguing that every media outlet is wrong about a story because it's too liberal, is a bit like arguing that every government agency is wrong because they're run by aliens.

English comprehension is a really good thing. I recommend it. With the aid of a few bold commands, I'll point out what you (and others) missed.First, notice the handy "if...then" clause (true, here it's "if...that" but it's the same thing) which is everywhere used in English. Did he say ""I believe that our government will be there. . . ." No, he didn't. Had he said that, you'd have a point. But he didn't.". . . lead an effort . . ." is not the same as promising to see to it that it [the retooling] happens.Effort is effort. Effort doesn't necessarily imply success. I made a couple of genuine efforts to break 2:50 in the marathon, and failed.Finally, don't you understand the use of "like" in your sentence #3? It's very simple English, and a very plain-jane construction. As above, had he said ". . . I will lead an effort to retool the GM facility in Janesville . . ." you'd have a point. But he didn't.And the "promise" in your sentence #6 can be found where?This kind of sliding over what was really said is predictable, on the right (it exists on the left, but to a far smaller extent). It's not necessarily misquoting or even taking out of context. It's just misreading, and I suppose those who do it figure they can get away with it because nobody reads carefully anyway. Truthiness, anyone?

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If you're going to quote something, you give attribution. I won't, but it'll take about 10 seconds to find from where what was quoted was lifted.

Good post. It looks to me like his intent in that comment was about as clear as is possible. To call that a promise to keep a single company afloat is totally absurd.

Is this the Kip Litton thread?

Mostly, I just hope there are reporters looking into Ryan's other claims as we speak (type). The mountain climbing, the 10-mile runs, the past as a high school stand-out athlete. If it's just the one lie about the marathon it doesn't seem like such a huge deal to me. But the marathon thing makes me wonder if he's built up a whole false image for himself. Obviously, that would be a lot more serious.

It's also funny that of all the lies Ryan has said he can only pick one thing and still makes up stats.

What I posted earlier...

As runners we get what it takes to run a marathon. We set goals, we train for the event, think hard about our pace for the event, and sure as hell remember roughly our time for our only marathon.

Paul Ryan is Lyin Ryan.... a liar. First thing in the articles he says he ran marathons, note the s. He ran one. Then he lies about his time. I deal with hobby joggers all the time and they know what pace they are trying to hit and they definitely know the barriers - sub 4 hours is a big deal to them AND they know they are slow. Ryan says he was fast and says he ran a fast time. He full of it. This isn't a simple slip, he says he is fast, he said he ran marathons and he give a time that required way more dedication and work and gets a lot of respect. This was all a lie. Also his brother talks about bragging rights in the family - Paul Ryan's time that he lied about is very much faster than his brother who is the fastest in the family. You grow up with brothers and you know these things. This is his character - a LIAR.

His many other lies...

They call it "spin" now but they are lies....

From

www.factcheck.org

Paul Ryan’s acceptance speech at the Republican convention contained several false claims and misleading statements. Delegates cheered as the vice presidential nominee:

Accused President Obama’s health care law of funneling money away from Medicare “at the expense of the elderly.” In fact, Medicare’s chief actuary says the law “substantially improves” the system’s finances, and Ryan himself has embraced the same savings.

Accused Obama of doing “exactly nothing” about recommendations of a bipartisan deficit commission — which Ryan himself helped scuttle.

Claimed the American people were “cut out” of stimulus spending. Actually, more than a quarter of all stimulus dollars went for tax relief for workers.

Faulted Obama for failing to deliver a 2008 campaign promise to keep a Wisconsin plant open. It closed less than a month before Obama took office.

Blamed Obama for the loss of a AAA credit rating for the U.S. Actually, Standard & Poor’s blamed the downgrade on the uncompromising stands of both Republicans and Democrats.

And when he wasn’t attacking Obama, Ryan was puffing up the record of his running mate, Mitt Romney, on taxes and unemployment.

By the way as a small business owner I am way better off than I was four years ago. Now if we only had a working Congress even more great things could get done.

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Here we go with this thinking again! Fast is relative. Only about 2 or 3% of people who tackle the marathon can get under 3 hours. Sure it's not world class....but not many of the millions of people who run can break 3.

Look at it this way $20 billion is seriously rich, but you would probably not think 20 million is not rich would you??

Rojo is write on the money in terms of this all being a matter of your political affiliation. None of this stuff is 100% black and white. Checkout what CNN concluded about the GM Plant. Read both pages.

Link wrote:

1. Citation, please.

Cnn concludes:

The only thing Ryan appears to have gotten technically wrong in Wednesday's version was saying that the plant didn't last another year. It did last another year -- more like 14 months -- if the Isuzu line and its 57 workers count.

So, though Ryan might have been incorrect in the August 16 telling, he cleaned it up for Wednesday's convention. Obama said what Ryan said he said.

But to fairly evaluate Obama's statement, at least two pieces of context -- missing from Ryan's account -- would be useful: First, that Obama wasn't telling this plant that he'd save it from a pending closure. He wasn't addressing a plant that he knew to be closing, because the closure announcement didn't come until four months after his speech. Second, although the plant's last bit of production stopped early in Obama's presidency and the plant remains closed, the closure was planned before Obama became president.

Verdict: True, but incomplete.[/quote]

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

Mostly, I just hope there are reporters looking into Ryan's other claims as we speak (type). The mountain climbing, the 10-mile runs, the past as a high school stand-out athlete. If it's just the one lie about the marathon it doesn't seem like such a huge deal to me. But the marathon thing makes me wonder if he's built up a whole false image for himself. Obviously, that would be a lot more serious.

Huh? How exactly is "mountain climbing, the 10-mile runs, the past as a high school stand-out athlete." of any relevance whatsoever? You are concerned about "a whole false image of himself"? Seriously? Who gives a rat's ass if he was Joe Stud in high school or the class nerd?

The simple fact is that he blatantly lied to try to impress. If that suggests to you that he cannot be trusted so be it. But concerning yourself with some ridiculous studly image is absurd.

And So It Goes wrote:

No one knows because it is a lie.

This is the first poster who called it!! Props to and so it goes!!

Hey! 250 something minutes is 4 hours and 10 minutes. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Note to Mr. Ryan's campaign: I await my check.

26 miles is such a long long ways

Huh? How exactly is "mountain climbing, the 10-mile runs, the past as a high school stand-out athlete." of any relevance whatsoever? You are concerned about "a whole false image of himself"? Seriously? Who gives a rat's ass if he was Joe Stud in high school or the class nerd?

The simple fact is that he blatantly lied to try to impress. If that suggests to you that he cannot be trusted so be it. But concerning yourself with some ridiculous studly image is absurd.[/quote]

You're right that would be absurd. I don't care about the image. But if Ryan's spent years building up a fake image that he thought would appeal to people, then obviously that would be an issue.

And by the way, you totally flew off the handle over a misreading of a pretty simple point.

I hope people will read the whole article and not just your characterization. It says that Ryan lied on August 16 and, then, lied again, albeit about something else, last Wednesday night.

In particular, Obama never said he'd save the Janesville plant. Period. This was your point in number 1, wasn't it?

And, by the way, supporter of Rojo, 'right' not 'write'. You're welcome.

Just in:

Paul Ryan has announced that he misspoke when he said his that he had climbed 40 of the highest peaks in Colorado.

"What I meant to say was that I have climbed 40 of the highest peaks in Wisconsin" (max elevation: 1,951.5 ft) he said in an interview with Outside Magazine.

"Just a slip of the tongue" continued Ryan. "A mistake anyone could have made."

I'd say it's incredibly unlikely that this guy has climbed that many 14ers. There are a couple dozen that are easy walkups, but it still requires a lot of time and they are spread out. Outside the real mountain goats around here, most people I know have done under 10 14ers. And that includes a lot of dedicated hikers and mountain runners. The likelihood is that Ryan's 14er claim is totally bogus. Maybe he has done half a dozen and ridden the cog railway and driven Mt Evans.

And look, I'm aware of the fact that 'politician' is probably just another word for 'liar'. It's their job to lie, or to stretch the facts in order to make points about policy or to try to win an election. These are lies with big consequences, but I understand that, though they're big, they're also part of the game. It's what politicians do to win. or in moments when they succumb to political zealotry, or when maybe they're confused and trying to hide that. Fine. But when a politician lies about something when they don't have to, when it couldn't possibly make any difference, when it's almost certain that they'll be found out, and when it's certain that they didn't get it wrong because they were mistaken, well, then this is indicative of more serious problems. Psychological problems. In some ways this doesn't surprise me much. Personally, I think that anyone who professes to be a disciple of Ayn Rand and who isn't an adolescent boy probably has mental problems. But I will concede that that's debatable. But this, this sort of compulsive lying? He's not in control of himself. Can we trust him to serve the few functions of VP - representing the country at funerals even? Is this the guy we want in the oval office if Romney can't be?

You might think this is overly dramatic, but, for the second straight cycle, the Republicans seem to have nominated someone with serious deficiencies to be the person to step in if the president dies. And, once again, it seems, the Republican standard bearer, the guy who wants to be leader of the free world (and much of the rest as well) has ceded that choice to the yahoos of his party. So, it bespeaks not only a serious problem with Ryan, but, more importantly, with Romney as well.

McCain lost, I think, largely because of Palin. Romney's choice of Ryan is going to doom him in exactly the same way.