"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Harambe wrote:

Nobody here denies that infection gives good immunity!

Yes. It awards enough protection for the individual and society to not mandate a vaccine.

"Good immunity" is enough.

Dont let the true fear mongers like Harambe fool you, that natural immunity is sufficient and mandating experimental vaccines is immoral, unethical and soon to be ILLEGAL!

Harambe wrote:

browski wrote:

One of the big tools of the scammers on this is using "n times higher" language as opposed to raw data. This scares people. If people look at actual numbers they see that 13 or 20 times an infinitesimally small number is still a very tiny number.

Not sure why you insist on calling us the fear-mongers. I'm not afraid of covid and have never been. I got the shot to keep my job. I don't wear a mask outside of school and never have unless it was required by the state. I'm healthy and have a kickass immune system. Y'all are the ones afraid of this and you're trying to share that fear with everyone else.

800k excess deaths is decent enough evidence of the risk, you'd agree?

I'm not afraid of COVID.

1.) Nope don't agree. Average age of covid death is 80+ yr olds. Not much of a risk there.

2.) Yes you are. You wouldn't have gotten the vaccine. You're afraid that you would pass it on to someone else, that person would die, and you would eventually be found out.

This spread is idiotic. While you guys are still debating on something that isn't a debate, another 1,150 people died yesterday from Covid19 Delta variant. With literally all of them unvaccinated.

I keep hearing about this stupid logic that being naturally immunized is better than the vaccine. So how do you know you have a natural immunity to the Delta variant unless you catch it? You could end up sick and die like one of my close college friend. You could be hospitalized like thousands of healthy kids have been. You could end up sick and become a long hauler, still trying to get healthy many months later. Or you could take the vaccine and drastically reduce the chance of catching it, passing it, getting sick and dying.

How many have to die before you knuckleheads understand?

347893 wrote:

This spread is idiotic. While you guys are still debating on something that isn't a debate, another 1,150 people died yesterday from Covid19 Delta variant. With literally all of them unvaccinated.

I keep hearing about this stupid logic that being naturally immunized is better than the vaccine. So how do you know you have a natural immunity to the Delta variant unless you catch it? You could end up sick and die like one of my close college friend. You could be hospitalized like thousands of healthy kids have been. You could end up sick and become a long hauler, still trying to get healthy many months later. Or you could take the vaccine and drastically reduce the chance of catching it, passing it, getting sick and dying.

How many have to die before you knuckleheads understand?

It's their choice, bro.

This is why people are still dying of COVID, because the at-risk are still at-risk because the 'vaccines' suck. And demanding everyone on the face of the earth inject themselves with crappy 'vaccines' is unethical, illogical, irrational, indefensible. Demanding otherwise healthy passer-by's inject themselves w a crappy, subpar vaccine to protect you from yourself is the epitome of stupidity and illiberal logic.

80% of covid immunity lost 6 months after pfizer 'vaccine'

https://www.firstpost.com/health/study-shows-80-covid-19-antibodies-lost-six-months-after-second-pfizer-vaccine-dose-what-this-means-9943651.html

36 Billion dollars people, are you paying attention yet? Watch the video, read the spot on comments. Learn the truth!

The conclusion of that study is a Doomsday prophecy.

Be fearful ye germophobes.

347893 wrote:

This spread is idiotic. While you guys are still debating on something that isn't a debate, another 1,150 people died yesterday from Covid19 Delta variant. With literally all of them unvaccinated.

I keep hearing about this stupid logic that being naturally immunized is better than the vaccine. So how do you know you have a natural immunity to the Delta variant unless you catch it? You could end up sick and die like one of my close college friend. You could be hospitalized like thousands of healthy kids have been. You could end up sick and become a long hauler, still trying to get healthy many months later. Or you could take the vaccine and drastically reduce the chance of catching it, passing it, getting sick and dying.

How many have to die before you knuckleheads understand?

Literally all of them were unvaccinated? You sound pretty sure of yourself. In the Tri-county health department of Colorado, 41.18% of the deaths so far in November are among fully vaccinated individuals:

The sad truth is that when the CDC saw the data coming out of Israel, they stopped officially counting breakthrough cases back in May, so that individuals like yourself would still believe that vaccines remained largely effective. The reality is that those with a previous COVID infection are getting sick at a far lower rate than those who have only been vaccinated (in Mesa County, the most recent weekly breakthrough infection rate was 28.1 cases per 10K fully vaccinated individuals, whereas the reinfection rate was 4.2 per 10k individuals with a previously confirmed COVID infection).

If you want to confirm that you have had a natural infection before getting a shot, you can take an N-type antibody test (vaccinated and people with a natural infection will both test positive on an S-type antibody test that only checks for the antibodies that work on the Spike protein, but only those who have had a natural infection will have the N-type antibodies). That is the primary reason that a naturally acquired infection has more robust immunity than vaccinated immunity, because while the current vaccines will give an individual protection against about three protein markers from the original alpha strain of COVID, a naturally acquired infection (assuming you survived it) will provide protection against dozens of protein markers (which tend to express themselves in various extents on the variants).

The debate is about individual liberty and the logic of mandates. If the vaccines were holding strong, if natural immunity was inferior and if healthy kids were getting sick and hospitalized (this is extraordinarily rare, the few kids that have succumbed to COVID typically have had severe pre-existing conditions), then universal mandates might be appropriate. However, those things are not happening. Vaccines are failing rapidly (at this point, a vaccinated individual is almost as much of a threat to others as an unvaccinated individual), natural immunity is far superior to vaccinated immunity (an individual with a prior COVID infection is far less of a threat towards others than an individual who has only been vaccinated) and children are not dying or being hospitalized at a rate significantly different than their historical averages in spite of schools being held in person.

joed|rt1 wrote:

The debate is about individual liberty and the logic of mandates. If the vaccines were holding strong, if natural immunity was inferior and if healthy kids were getting sick and hospitalized (this is extraordinarily rare, the few kids that have succumbed to COVID typically have had severe pre-existing conditions), then universal mandates might be appropriate. However, those things are not happening. Vaccines are failing rapidly (at this point, a vaccinated individual is almost as much of a threat to others as an unvaccinated individual), natural immunity is far superior to vaccinated immunity (an individual with a prior COVID infection is far less of a threat towards others than an individual who has only been vaccinated) and children are not dying or being hospitalized at a rate significantly different than their historical averages in spite of schools being held in person.

:facepalm:

The real debate is just how much freedom should people be given. And based on your reply and the responses of many in this thread, it's a good idea to keep those freedoms in check and save you and the people around you from yourselves.

carmine9 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Something like 5 COVID deaths since March in Gibraltar

25. Januar 2021Regenbogenseele

Reports are that the small island of Gibraltar has seen no fewer than 53 locals dead after having the COVID-19 vaccination in the past 10 days. The report is not reaching the ‘official’ mainstream press, but fits the pattern of deaths and suppression of such news in the media and from governments around the world.

Principia Scientific International received the following heartfelt plea from ‘Charlotte,’ a Gibraltarian;

“Someone needs your help. 53 people died from vaccines in Gibraltar in only 10 days. A man tries to get help from newspapers and we know he won’t. So I write to you. I will send you the article which is written in French, hoping you can translate it easily.”

The GHA stopped releasing excess death statistics back in January of 2021, so it is hard to determine where things stand in Gibraltar.

Be careful what you wish for.

So, what's going on here? "One thing is for certain- it's not just the type of shot nor the extent of vaccination that counts in bringing down the death toll"

Um ,yea, it's the % of obesity/overweight/elderly/at risk population more than anything. And the higher the per capita/development the more obese/overweight/elderly in said population. Let's face it, the vaccines suck. But in America the illiberal left is demanding everyone shoot themselves up with these crappy vaccines so that the at-risk can continue down their path of indulgent self-destruction without having to modify their unhealthy lifestyles. Because, ya know, it's your civic duty to partake in a crappy vaccine and enable other's self destructive habits. Every passer by must be inoculated with something that provides them with limited, at best, immunity to satisfy the left's deranged logic.

Public schools will be our downfall.

There's a subtle information which antivaxxers who claim that natural immunization is better than vaccine immunization.

Young people who have a light form of the covid-19 disease do not develop the antibodies, or they develop little immunity.

In the future, if they get the disease again, they might not be as lucky as the first time.

The question is if it worth risking your life to obtain natural immunity when you can simply take the vaccine.

joed|rt1 wrote:

The sad truth is that when the CDC saw the data coming out of Israel, they stopped officially counting breakthrough cases back in May, so that individuals like yourself would still believe that vaccines remained largely effective. The reality is that those with a previous COVID infection are getting sick at a far lower rate than those who have only been vaccinated (in Mesa County, the most recent weekly breakthrough infection rate was 28.1 cases per 10K fully vaccinated individuals, whereas the reinfection rate was 4.2 per 10k individuals with a previously confirmed COVID infection).

here is data on breakthroughs through September. YOu may have missed this. They also have hospitalizations and death. Data is updated monthly so we expect more of an update soon (last updated Oct 15th).

As usual your posts fall victim to base-rate fallacy (high % vaxxed means that raw breakthrough %'s are hard to interpret) and/or Simpson's paradox (age explains both vax rate and susceptibility to COVID which can -invert- trends, paradoxically).

The vaccines are, of course, still very very protective against severe disease, which most of us prioritize. Only the anti-vaxxer case-obsessed fearmongers are still quivering about cases. Funny how things change :). Boosters look to be outstanding for those terrified of cases still.

Wuss alert wrote:

Let's face it, the vaccines suck.

Vaccines that cut the severe case and death rate by 20X, suck?

Politics has poisoned so many brains worse than woke communist public schools ever could. Make sure to send your monthly check to Berenson.

More Covid cases and deaths in 2021 than in 2020.

2/3rds of all Americans fully vaxxed in 2021 (more if we exclude kids -- who are under little threat from the virus).

None in 2020.

But the vaxx works!

Amazing