LoneStarXC wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/02/world-record-results-doping/Less thought Sabadell Dibaba and Fancy Bears Keitany were dirty. I'm sure most thought Kiprop was clean.
The saddest thing is that over 92% of letsrun thinks that Kratochvilova was clean.
Yeah...that's kind of weird and I thought it would also be a lot higher than 57% for El G. ?
lolz its prob because the same person voted to skew the results, my guess is it was more than one person doing it too
rek, jonO and el K
LoneStarXC wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/02/world-record-results-doping/Less thought Sabadell Dibaba and Fancy Bears Keitany were dirty. I'm sure most thought Kiprop was clean.
The saddest thing is that over 92% of letsrun thinks that Kratochvilova was clean.
Typed it wrong, oops. 8% of letsrun thinks that she was clean. That’s still way too much. Kratochivilova was like, the most obvious doper ever.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kratochvilova_jarmila.jpgAgain the horse is dead. Science and history have shown why the three suspicious values, from space age equipment combined with inconsistent processes, are plausibly clean, and why low post-altitude pre-race values should be interpreted with caution. You can always cling to some desperate hope that the remaining values that neither the Sunday Times, nor Ashenden, nor Parisotto, found suspicious enough to report, might still be suspicious, if only they could also be viewed by the public. Good luck with that. All of the anti-doping professionals and tabloids alike have moved on.
DHT123 wrote:
A total distortion of the truth rekrunner. Honestly, you try to portray the pre-2009 ABP values as if they were taken on stone-age equipment. Thankfully they were trusted enough to get Paula target tested and throw up more at least two more suspicious off-scores. (Of course, we don't know just how suspicious they really are, because Paula has never released her data and therefore we have no idea of what her personal ABP profile looks like and therefore just how off the charts the 16.2 g/dl score is).
Nice story with 'd' you had, apart from the fact that her Hb in Helsinki, when she'd just come down from altitude that time was way lower. Must be the machine, right? Just like that one in Portugal which she concluded that there must be something wrong with, after people didn't buy excuse 1 (altitude...........ooops, forgot I had a low score the day before) or 2 (sickness............oooops being so sick that I have low blood values doesn't really tally with smashing the field and winning the world half championships)
Please, please, can we have no more of the 'Paula was cleared by WADA/IC'. She wasn't. The IC made 2 points:
- that the IAAF did properly follow up suspicious blood values with testing (we'll forget about the bribery/corruption for a bit here)
- that you couldn't use pre-2009 values to convict athletes of doping
It didn't 'clear' Paula of doping. Her dodgy test results, outlier performances, constantly changing stories, threatening behaviour and psycho husband tell their own story.
Sorry I didn't vote. Your "guessing" success rate is surprisingly small.
m!ndweak wrote:
lolz its prob because the same person voted to skew the results, my guess is it was more than one person doing it too
rek, jonO and el K
rekrunner wrote:
Sorry I didn't vote. Your "guessing" success rate is surprisingly small.
m!ndweak wrote:
lolz its prob because the same person voted to skew the results, my guess is it was more than one person doing it too
rek, jonO and el K
your arrogance and annoyance is not surprisingly big, glad you somehow have the time and energy to troll 24/7 though, im sure the brojos enjoy the click bait you produce
She so obviously doped, I mean 2:15. Come on, how much more obvious does it have to get?
So obviously a doper wrote:
She so obviously doped, I mean 2:15. Come on, how much more obvious does it have to get?
classic right? i mean according to anyone who worships renato, kenyans ARE head and shoulders genetically better than everyone on the planet...except a pasty, terrible form, no kick, slow as balls, never won in the WC or olympics bobble headed brit....buy 2-3 f*cking minutes hahahahahaha
i mean if renato was correct then a kenyan should own the WR in the womens marathon, not some slow bad running form brit. then you consider all the kenyans who are supposedly SUPERIOR to everyone else who have been busted for EPO while running their fastest times in the marathon were still 2-3 min behind....nope it all checks out, paula was just that much better than the SUPERIOR race...cause that makes sense
m!ndweak wrote:
So obviously a doper wrote:
She so obviously doped, I mean 2:15. Come on, how much more obvious does it have to get?
classic right? i mean according to anyone who worships renato, kenyans ARE head and shoulders genetically better than everyone on the planet...except a pasty, terrible form, no kick, slow as balls, never won in the WC or olympics bobble headed brit....buy 2-3 f*cking minutes hahahahahaha
i mean if renato was correct then a kenyan should own the WR in the womens marathon, not some slow bad running form brit. then you consider all the kenyans who are supposedly SUPERIOR to everyone else who have been busted for EPO while running their fastest times in the marathon were still 2-3 min behind....nope it all checks out, paula was just that much better than the SUPERIOR race...cause that makes sense
** The 2:15 is evidence
** Over whom one is dominating, is evidence
** The sub-optimal running form demonstrates visually inferior genetics, is evidence
** Sudden ascension to the pinnacle of the sport when already a trained elite athlete, is evidence
Blood tampering was just the means to the end; the proof of it is in the unbelievable results.
Paula is the GOAT. ??♀️??♀️??♀️???
All I say, again, is how it was even possible to NOT cause herself a whiplash with that crazy head-bobbing!!! I guess I will never understand...
Be Real fellas wrote:
Yes, she is. wrote:
Yes she is, and all of them should be looked at with suspicion.
NO WAY! Deena and Paula are both clean, period. There are obvious reasons for those values and it's not doping. Give it up already.
I agree as I think she just did something really special that day. If it was ever proven that she did something illegal, I'd lose ALL faith in any professional distance runners, bar none. But...it's just smoke and mirrors right now and I'm 100% convinced she did not cheat in any way, shape, or form.
i am skeptical of anyone who is a record holder and takes a strong anti-doping stance. they obviously want to keep their WR as long as possible. it screams closet narcissist Lance-like behavior.
it would be far more entertaining to just have two record books for clean and doped and allow designated doped athletes to compete under a separate division so we can see what the human limit is and compare how close clean athletes can get.
8 million pages on this long aged thread and no one has stated the obvious: she didn't dope, she cut the course. Duh.
Radcliffe's running form surely looks odd, but so did that of Emil Zatopek who still was quite a dominant runner of his times, so the "look" can be deceptive. As far as I know, Paula's good running economy and improvement have also been documented and I'd be interested to know whether that data has been invalidated/questioned.
And even peer-reviewed papers arent 100 % reliable and there was the infamous Ed Coyle paper about Lance Armstrong's improved cycling efficiency in the 1990's which was questioned on valid grounds evem when the data tilted towards Coyle's key conclusions.
We just got done looking at the survey where 72% of letsrun fans thought 2:15 was done clean.
So obviously a doper wrote:
She so obviously doped, I mean 2:15. Come on, how much more obvious does it have to get?
rekrunner wrote:
We just got done looking at the survey where 72% of letsrun fans thought 2:15 was done clean.
So obviously a doper wrote:
She so obviously doped, I mean 2:15. Come on, how much more obvious does it have to get?
Most Americans believed Lance never doped until he told them to their face. Got to admire a guy who acknowledges what he did to a national TV audience.
Can't imagine a Froome, a Radcliffe or a Wiggins facing Crammy on a BBC TV tell-all.
Just look at how badly Team Sky / British Cycling officials treated the British parliamentary anti-doping committee who tried in vain to investigate their drug trafficking and doping violations. In response to interrogation, these bastions of British Olympic and Professional Sport told the officials, verifiable lies - even the team Doctor at the center of the furore, refused to take part.
Anti-doping is a complete joke in the UK, and there is evidence that even School and County level teams are rife with PEDs.
Wonderin' wrote:
8 million pages on this long aged thread and no one has stated the obvious: she didn't dope, she cut the course. Duh.
ah the Patti Catalano argument (sub 2:30 at NYC in 1980)
you are suggesting over a quarter-mile short course or cut and no-one noticed? don't think so
what's interesting about this thread in summary is many people are indirectly insisting that non-east-african women can't run sub 2:20 clean, which doesn't seem like a valid argument
plenty of 2:21 women which is vdot 71, but sub 2:20 needs vdot 72, so why is that "impossible" ?
rekrunner wrote:
We just got done looking at the survey where 72% of letsrun fans thought 2:15 was done clean.
It's kind of a weird survey where 43% thought El G's WR was done clean. ?
Fawning Fandom wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
We just got done looking at the survey where 72% of letsrun fans thought 2:15 was done clean.
Most Americans believed Lance never doped until he told them to their face. Got to admire a guy who acknowledges what he did to a national TV audience.
Can't imagine a Froome, a Radcliffe or a Wiggins facing Crammy on a BBC TV tell-all.
Just look at how badly Team Sky / British Cycling officials treated the British parliamentary anti-doping committee who tried in vain to investigate their drug trafficking and doping violations. In response to interrogation, these bastions of British Olympic and Professional Sport told the officials, verifiable lies - even the team Doctor at the center of the furore, refused to take part.
Anti-doping is a complete joke in the UK, and there is evidence that even School and County level teams are rife with PEDs.
Seriously? "School and County level teams are rife with PEDs?" The Brits of all people? What kind of PEDs are they supposedly using? This is shocking to say the least! Rekrunner has never mentioned this?
