"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

I believe the CDC / NIH / FDA has a plan, but I don't trust what they say publicly, and I believe that part of that plan is to get non-elderly / non-immuno compromised individuals a breakthrough infection. They knowingly lied about masks, they consistently downplay the effectiveness of natural immunity and deep down, I think they realize that COVID will not calm down until most of the population has been infected. Vaccinated immunity alone just doesn't cut it. The UK has 98% antibody presence in their blood supply surveillance (primarily vaccinated, roughly 20% is solely natural immunity) and they have almost two and a half times the case rate currently that the US has [1.5% of it is reinfections and almost 60% is breakthrough infections (most of the unvaccinated infections are among adolescents and pediatrics)].

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgzssDOTMXs

joed|rtay wrote:

I believe the CDC / NIH / FDA has a plan, but I don't trust what they say publicly, and I believe that part of that plan is to get non-elderly / non-immuno compromised individuals a breakthrough infection. They knowingly lied about masks, they consistently downplay the effectiveness of natural immunity and deep down, I think they realize that COVID will not calm down until most of the population has been infected. Vaccinated immunity alone just doesn't cut it. The UK has 98% antibody presence in their blood supply surveillance (primarily vaccinated, roughly 20% is solely natural immunity) and they have almost two and a half times the case rate currently that the US has [1.5% of it is reinfections and almost 60% is breakthrough infections (most of the unvaccinated infections are among adolescents and pediatrics)

fisky wrote:

I don't believe conspiracy theories. I believe doctors are acting with good intentions, but then so were doctors 200 years ago when they practiced bloodletting.

Fisky, someone has to say it: you are the very model of a conspiracy theorist. For over 18 months now, you've been discounting information from authoritative and trustworthy sources while accepting fringe information without question. It's led you to make some incredibly poor decisions that leave you at high risk of serious, long-term health consequences. It's been pretty sad to watch. Please talk to your family doctor or another trusted medical professional.

California does seem to be missing a lot of potentially Covid related deaths. They did better in the delta wave relative to last winter, but the excess deaths to covid attributed deaths is high in both.

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/CaliforniaWeeklyExcessAndCovidDeaths.png

The notable feature for Florida is that their biggest surge was in the Delta wave by which time everyone had the opportunity to be vaccinated. Relative to other states, I don't see much evidence of systematic under counting in Florida which was an accusation that was being thrown around earlier in the year. There counting is delayed because they're doing "date of death" rather than "date of report" which is consistent with the excess death reporting and makes alignment on this graph better than most states.

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/FloridaWeeklyExcessAndCovidDeaths.png

Harambe wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Comparing Covid and Excess deaths for just Texas gives this picture:

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/TexasWeeklyExcessAndCovidDeaths.png

Man that Delta wave really rocked Texas. I guess all the blustering about being 'wide-open' also meant wide-open for Delta. Sad.

I find it interesting how people try to use Texas as an example. You do realize that the current administration has let illegal immigrants pour across the border in Texas? Do you realize that these illegals aren't be tested or required to have a COVID vaccine? You do realize that these untested and unvaccinated immigrants are be allowed into the country via Texas ? If people like you were actually concerned about this then you would be demanding that the border be closed and the federal immigration laws are enforced.

Many people taking covid booster shots will have a regressed immune system, perhaps the equivalent of a person with advanced AIDS. This is because your immune system needs practice to improve. The vaccines and masking inhibits the practice and thus deteriorates the strength of the immune system over time. Then these big pharmaceutical companies will make more money off of people with poorly functioning immune systems with new drugs and antibiotics. What a great money making machine they are. Absolutely appalling stuff. Time to wake up.

colder and wiser wrote:

fisky wrote:

I don't believe conspiracy theories. I believe doctors are acting with good intentions, but then so were doctors 200 years ago when they practiced bloodletting.

Fisky, someone has to say it: you are the very model of a conspiracy theorist. For over 18 months now, you've been discounting information from authoritative and trustworthy sources while accepting fringe information without question. It's led you to make some incredibly poor decisions that leave you at high risk of serious, long-term health consequences. It's been pretty sad to watch. Please talk to your family doctor or another trusted medical professional.

This made me laugh, but thanks for the opinion. I see my approach... waiting, masking, social distancing, avoiding people, and boosting my immune system against both covid and a cytokine storm... as a prudent approach for me. The current infection rate in my county is roughly 1 active case per 9,000 residents. Today, I was around zero people without a mask indoors. Yesterday: 0. Day before yesterday: 0, except I did walk by a few people indoors without a mask. My risk of randomly being around that 1 in 9,000 person is extremely low. What if they come to my door, you say? They can't. I live behind a locked driveway gate. The Amazon delivery guy leaves my packages 120 yards from my house.

How is weighing the information available to me and making a personal health decision in any way supporting any conspiracy theory?

Now, if my job were on the line or if I was in a service industry and exposed to dozens of strangers every day, it would be different. If masking, social distancing, and avoiding contact with people affected my day-to-day life, it would be different.

Remember, the long-term effects are unknown and can't be observed until some subjects have been vaccinated for the long term.

In my opinion, mild and asymptomatic breakthrough cases will skyrocket as we get into flu season. It's even more important for me to remain isolated for the next few months.

I'm not calling you out. I'm just making the best decision I can based on the information I see. I want to see transparent long-term data before I make an irreversible decision. You can't get unvaccinated.

colder and wiser wrote:

[quote]fisky wrote:

I don't believe conspiracy theories. I believe doctors are acting with good intentions, but then so were doctors 200 years ago when they practiced bloodletting.

"Fisky, someone has to say it: you are the very model of a conspiracy theorist. For over 18 months now, you've been discounting information from authoritative and trustworthy sources"

As anyone who has been paying any attention at all the past 30 years should

DanM wrote:

CDC estimates that 146.6 Million Americans have been infected as of Oct. 2. That's 44% of the population. The rapidly dissipating efficacy of the so called "vaccines" means there may be no other choice than to let Covid run it's course.

The "efficacy" word is used in a wrong context.

The capacity of the vaccine to prevent infection does not drop for young people, but drops proportionally with the age.

However, the capacity of the vaccine to prevent serios symptoms or death doesn't drop at all.

And regarding the natural immunization, that doesn't work if the number of hospitalizations and deaths are numerous.

Covid-19 deaths are a few dozens of times more deadly than the seasonal flu.

And it doesn't mean that Covid-19 replaces seasonal flu. They just worsen each other.

A couple of months ago, I posted that the US would never reach herd immunity based on vaccinations. Now, the CDC has finally come to the same conclusion. "...experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have set aside herd immunity as a national goal."

This was obvious to anyone who looked at the data months ago. The US is currently at 58.7% fully vaccinated. That rate is rising at roughly 170k/day or 1.5%/month. At that rate, the US should only reach 61-62% by January. Long before we reach 70% fully vaxxed, the vaccine immunity is going to start running out on those who got the jab early last year. Booster rates are about a million a day, but 25% of fully vaxxed say that they won't take the booster.

I'm not sure what the CDC game plan is. Or even if the CDC has a game plan. If the vaxxed plus natural immunity doesn't reach herd immunity, Covid is going to be around indefinitely. Who knows, public health leaders might reach the point where they start recommending that people TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN HEALTH! Ha... just kidding. That hasn't happened in 20 months so it's unlikely to start anytime soon.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-shifts-pandemic-goals-away-from-reaching-herd-immunity/ar-AAQCZMW

"On the DUBIOUS assumption that the Mandate does pass constitutional muster — which we need not decide today — it is nonetheless FATALLY FLAWED on its own terms. Indeed, the Mandate’s STRAINED PRESCRIPTIONS combine to make it the rare government pronouncement that is both OVERINCLUSIVE (applying to employers and employees in virtually all industries and workplaces in America, with little attempt to account for the obvious differences between the risks facing, say, a security guard on a lonely night shift, and a meatpacker working shoulder to shoulder in a cramped warehouse) and UNDERINCLUSIVE (purporting to save employees with 99 or more coworkers from a “grave danger” in the workplace, while making no attempt to shield employees with 98 or fewer coworkers from the very same threat). The Mandate’s stated impetus — a purported “emergency” that the entire globe has now endured for nearly two years, and which OSHA itself spent nearly two months responding to — is unavailing as well. And its promulgation GROSSLY EXCEEDS OSHA’s STATUTORY AUTHORITY. "

https://storage.courtlistener.com/pdf/2021/11/12/bst_holdings_l.l.c._v._osha.pdf

Thanks Dan M for posting the Court's brief! On page 11 the Court also talks about how the pandemic is not at the level of "grave danger" that would justify any mandates.

Where are two prominent members of the pro-vax mafia to comment on this? Harambe & the 2600 kid have been flapping their mouths & demeaning us who are against these crazy mandates. Now I hear nothing but crickets from these two? Typical Liberals that can't admit when they're wrong & apologize to rest of us for the harassment we took from them for opposing the mandates.

Perhaps they went home devastated - as the old saying goes on this forum. Lol.

Boston Globe tells us today that the Covid has "infiltrated" the Boston School system.

Last year they told us it was stalking people in a town in Maine.

No fear mongering campaign though, right?

I see my threads on healthy people dying shortly after taking the jab have been deleted.

Not allowed to acknowledge that.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

Many people taking covid booster shots will have a regressed immune system, perhaps the equivalent of a person with advanced AIDS. This is because your immune system needs practice to improve. The vaccines and masking inhibits the practice and thus deteriorates the strength of the immune system over time. Then these big pharmaceutical companies will make more money off of people with poorly functioning immune systems with new drugs and antibiotics. What a great money making machine they are. Absolutely appalling stuff. Time to wake up.

Legit source for this please?

Y'all... wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-police-officer-dies-covid-while-leave-missing-vaccination-deadline-n1283797?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR3erMVxjr22KwPNQ6Ut44us95FKLl56VldQq8YJpVTZIUD4g5Bmc-Qbo4Uhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/it-doesn-t-have-happen-covid-leading-cause-death-among-n1279289

Why are these types of pro vaxx propaganda okay but we cannot list all the healthy young people who have died shortly after being jabbed?

Y'all... wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-police-officer-dies-covid-while-leave-missing-vaccination-deadline-n1283797?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR3erMVxjr22KwPNQ6Ut44us95FKLl56VldQq8YJpVTZIUD4g5Bmc-Qbo4Uhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/it-doesn-t-have-happen-covid-leading-cause-death-among-n1279289

Did you know that as of Oct. 2, the CDC estimates that 146.6 Million Americans had been infected with Covid-19 ? That's 44% of the US population.

Please provide a link to the stories of each of those 146.6 Million people.

Thanking you in advance,

Dan M.