"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Fairly funny that most of America has gotten their shots and moved on from COVID, but the denier-fearmongers are desperate to keep COVID front-and-center. They've tied their personalities to this pandemic and know that admitting that vaccines work would mean the end of the pandemic... and thus their purpose. Amazing how you can watch the propaganda consume their identity in real-time.

conservatives used to be respectable wrote:

Joedirt often mentions young people should forego vaccination as the risks of covid are virtually nonexistent for them, and yet in Colorado, hospitalizations, notably among younger people, are surging. Compared to previous surges, the average age of hospitalization has plummeted. The vast majority of these hospitalizations are unvaccinated, so how does one reconcile the view that young people are not at meaningful risk for covid and it would be alright for them to pass on getting vaccinated with this?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/colorado-hospitals-overwhelmed-by-young-dramatically-ill-unvaccinated-covid-patients

Alarmist article. Define "young". If your definition of young is 65 years old instead of 80, you got me, but I have always advocated for vaccinating 65 year olds. The groups I have said it is not necessary to vaccinate for are those 25 and under and those with previous COVID infections, and there is plenty of data out there to support those claims. Please explain how your PBS article refutes those ideas. Ironically, my bosses kid was infected by the child of one of the head people at Colorado Public Radio, who, knowing they had COVID, allowed their son to go on a two hundred mile road trip with a half dozen friends without disclosing to his friends that his parents had COVID. So that is what I think of Public Media's concern for kids with COVID.

Here is an article on Children's Hospitalizations in Colorado during the peak of the back to school Delta wave in kids:

A big nothing burger. Two years in and deaths and hospitalizations among those under 25 are not noticeably different than any previous year. About the only mild spike in excess deaths among young adults in the entire world that I have seen any evidence of in this entire pandemic was in the UK when they started vaccinating young men with the AstraZeneca vaccine. But here we are in a world where a California Governor (who many believe had Bell's Palsy from a booster) is mandating COVID vaccines on an EUA (not full approval) for 5 year-olds or they can't go to school.

joed|rtay wrote:

About the only mild spike in excess deaths among young adults in the entire world that I have seen any evidence of in this entire pandemic was in the UK when they started vaccinating young men with the AstraZeneca vaccine. But here we are in a world where a California Governor (who many believe had Bell's Palsy from a booster) is mandating COVID vaccines on an EUA (not full approval) for 5 year-olds or they can't go to school.

I wonder if young people had any significant lifestyle changes that may have reduced accidental deaths -- a leading cause for them -- in the last 18 months?

Also death is not the only issue with COVID. Plenty of other serious complications or even just weeks of discomfort. The COVID vax is the best studied and among the widest distributed vaccines in history. At some point you'll need to stop quaking in your boots.

carmine9 wrote:

The Lily Hammer wrote:

So was this guy, right up until he died of Covid.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/11/10/covid-doctor-misinformation-minnesota-vadnais-heights

330 million Americans and the media seeks out anyone who died from Covid that was not old and sickly.

Almost like there is an agenda here

He was old. He should have been vaccinated. When it comes to vaccination, I fully support a risk / benefit analysis. The benefits for a guy as old as him are significant compared to the risks. But on the other extreme, the benefits of being vaccinated for those under 25 or those who have had a previous infection are near zero and there are elevated risks in those groups for adverse reactions. That is part of the reason I believe the old and sickly should get boosters, as the vaccines are rapidly declining if efficiency. But more than anything else, I believe in personal choice.

The COVID vax is also one of the most deadly vaccines in history, with the greatest number of adverse events and deaths in history. Almost half of all deaths reported to VAERS for all vaccines in 31 years of existence have been associated with less than a year's worth of data from the COVID vaccine. And the funds that compensate people for adverse reactions haven't paid out a cent.

I’m trans-vaccinated.

Meaning I'm woke, not vaccinated but I identify myself as being vaccinated. Thank you for all the support!

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

I’m trans-vaccinated.

Meaning I'm woke, not vaccinated but I identify myself as being vaccinated. Thank you for all the support!

Is woke still an insult? I thought it had turned into a term used to identify crazy right wingers who make everything into a tribe vs tribe or BS culture war issue. It's time to find other ways to troll. Consult some classic Sham 69 threads

troll_69 wrote:

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

I’m trans-vaccinated.

Meaning I'm woke, not vaccinated but I identify myself as being vaccinated. Thank you for all the support!

Is woke still an insult? I thought it had turned into a term used to identify crazy right wingers who make everything into a tribe vs tribe or BS culture war issue. It's time to find other ways to troll. Consult some classic Sham 69 threads

Glad to have triggered ya. Next!

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

troll_69 wrote:

Is woke still an insult? I thought it had turned into a term used to identify crazy right wingers who make everything into a tribe vs tribe or BS culture war issue. It's time to find other ways to troll. Consult some classic Sham 69 threads

Glad to have triggered ya. Next!

Still doesn't address the reality of the term. But ok Antivaxxer in chief, next it is!

Harambe wrote:

Fairly funny that most of America has gotten their shots and moved on from COVID, but the denier-fearmongers are desperate to keep COVID front-and-center. They've tied their personalities to this pandemic and know that admitting that vaccines work would mean the end of the pandemic... and thus their purpose. Amazing how you can watch the propaganda consume their identity in real-time.

What alternate reality do you live in?

Have you been using products provided to you by Big Pharma?

2/3 of Americans fully vaxxed and cases and deaths (the official numbers) up over 2020 and you sit there with a straight face and say the jabs work?

Yikes.

Harambe wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Posted this elsewhere, but WTF Texas?

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/percentExcessDeathsByState2020-2021.png

A state where the governor all-but-openly favored modestly effective and expensive therapy over vaccination? Big surprise

I was surprised because in reported "Covid deaths per million population" on Worldometer Texas is in 19th place between Connecticut and Pennsylvania and way behind the top states lead by Mississippi.

There was talk about Florida being less than forthright with there accounting, but this suggests that Texas is persistently under counting.

Comparing Covid and Excess deaths for just Texas gives this picture:

The other notable oddity is that Massachusetts is disproportionately low on the excess deaths chart compared to their Worldometer Covid deaths. The picture for MA is suggestive of an over accounting / "death with Covid" / "It's just near end of lifers" argument.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Comparing Covid and Excess deaths for just Texas gives this picture:

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/TexasWeeklyExcessAndCovidDeaths.png

Man that Delta wave really rocked Texas. I guess all the blustering about being 'wide-open' also meant wide-open for Delta. Sad.

Harambe wrote:

Fairly funny that most of America has gotten their shots and moved on from COVID, but the denier-fearmongers are desperate to keep COVID front-and-center. They've tied their personalities to this pandemic and know that admitting that vaccines work would mean the end of the pandemic... and thus their purpose. Amazing how you can watch the propaganda consume their identity in real-time.

Terrible attempt at gas lighting. The right is more then ready to move in. It’s the left that won’t shut up about the wu-flu and report on it 24/7. Us reasonable folks just want to be left alone. Authoritarians like you won’t let the country move forward.

Yawn^10 wrote:

Terrible attempt at gaslighting. The right is more then ready to move in. It’s the left that won’t shut up about the wu-flu and report on it 24/7. Us reasonable folks just want to be left alone. Authoritarians like you won’t let the country move forward.

A big part of the problem is that dissenting views and personal reports of severe vaccine side effects are being aggressively suppressed. The VAERS system isn't reporting all side effect cases and definitely isn't reporting all cause deaths as it is required to do.

I understand this approach. The powers that be have decided that the current short-term and possible long-term negative effects of the vaccine are low enough to push forward with an aggressive vaccine campaign so they have taken a similarly aggressive position on suppressing reports of side effects or doctors expressing concerns about the vaccine.

Suppressing information works for the masses. In times of mass fear and uncertainty, the masses turn to those in authority positions for guidance.

The problem is that this heavy-handed approach will only go so far. The current 1st vax rate has dropped to about 250k/day. At that rate, the US will reach about 60% fully vaxxed by Jan 1st. By then, early vaxxers will have lost most of their protection and will need the booster. Yet surveys show that 25% of fully vaxxed say they will NOT take the booster because their reaction to the 2nd shot was so bad.

What are the long-term (or even short-term) risks of ongoing mRNA boosters? They're unknown.

I don't believe conspiracy theories. I believe doctors are acting with good intentions, but then so were doctors 200 years ago when they practiced bloodletting.

In my opinion, the solution lies not in vaccines but in Africa. Antibody testing shows that the prevalence of covid infection is about the same in Africa than in the US or EU, but the mortality rate is 10x lower. Why? Answer that question and you might have an approach for the rest of the world. But from what I can see, there's little interest in figuring out this anomaly. There are three likely factors.

Youth. The median age in Africa is 19 and life expectancy is only 60 or so. There's very few age 65 plus seniors to die.

Obesity. The obesity rate in Africa is far lower than the US and EU.

Malaria and malarial treatments. It's possible that prior exposure to malaria or taking malarial drugs conveys some level of protection against covid. Since malarial drugs are dirt cheap and safe, it warrants serious and immediate research.

Except the viral load varies and irregardless of “vaccination” status

https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people

CDC estimates that 146.6 Million Americans have been infected as of Oct. 2. That's 44% of the population. The rapidly dissipating efficacy of the so called "vaccines" means there may be no other choice than to let Covid run it's course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

The most important factor in COVID-19 mortality is age, Africa’s young population combined with poor reporting has made COVID deaths seem low.

The over 60 excess mortality in Africa is worse than most western states in 2020, The Economist had a good chart from the sparse available data. This implies that COVID hasn’t spared African countries nor are African people somehow less susceptible.

Here’s another study that shows IFRs by age are far worse in poor countries:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.29.21264325v1

The most important factor in COVID-19 mortality is age, Africa’s young population combined with poor reporting has made COVID deaths seem low.

The over 60 excess mortality in Africa is worse than most western states in 2020, The Economist had a good chart from the sparse available data. This implies that COVID hasn’t spared African countries nor are African people somehow less susceptible.

Here’s another study that shows IFRs by age are far worse in poor countries:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.29.21264325v1

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Harambe wrote:

A state where the governor all-but-openly favored modestly effective and expensive therapy over vaccination? Big surprise

I was surprised because in reported "Covid deaths per million population" on Worldometer Texas is in 19th place between Connecticut and Pennsylvania and way behind the top states lead by Mississippi.

There was talk about Florida being less than forthright with there accounting, but this suggests that Texas is persistently under counting.

Comparing Covid and Excess deaths for just Texas gives this picture:

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/TexasWeeklyExcessAndCovidDeaths.png

The other notable oddity is that Massachusetts is disproportionately low on the excess deaths chart compared to their Worldometer Covid deaths. The picture for MA is suggestive of an over accounting / "death with Covid" / "It's just near end of lifers" argument.

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/MassachusettsWeeklyExcessAndCovidDeaths.png

Couple of observations from the chart:

Washington DC and California are either not being transparent with their numbers or they have had a bunch of people overdosing or dying from non-COVID related issues. California higher than Florida puts the blue state / red state narrative into question and seriously throws into question the response in California, which still has the highest unemployment rate in the nation.