i doubt that was the real jim spivey who posted here. first of all, thats not spivey's email address @ vanderbilt - you'd think he'd know his own email address, no?
second, those who know spivey know that he is one of the most humble guys around, and would never write about himself on this board.
finally, spivey is a professional coach - if you contact him, i'm sure he'll provide you with a workout plan for a fee.
I wish it were otherwise, but my guess would be that Torres does not crack the top 20. Ritz, however, will in the top 10.
Cu wrote:
Torres and Ritz will be top 5
fezzig wrote:
i doubt that was the real jim spivey who posted here. first of all, thats not spivey's email address @ vanderbilt - you'd think he'd know his own email address, no?
second, those who know spivey know that he is one of the most humble guys around, and would never write about himself on this board.
finally, spivey is a professional coach - if you contact him, i'm sure he'll provide you with a workout plan for a fee.
Isn't Spivey the coach at Vanderbilt?
How do you know it is not his address? I cannot contact him if I don't know what it is.
Also, he seemed to have a lot of information about people's VO2 maxes that anyone but a top runner would not have access to.
He was humble to; he referred to himself in passing as a "clown" and made more of Maree than himself.
go to vandy's website, you'll find his email address. do your own legwork next time.
he had no information about anyone's VO2 max. ritz's vo2 of 85 was noted in the article. he "claimed" it was 77 last year - no one knows whether that is true (probably not)
Good article. I think Ritz will do you Americans proud. It said that Hudson gets advice worldwide. I know that he gets help from Both Renato Canova and Antonio Cabral. Are there any other coaches that they get advice from?
Dweez wrote:
I didn't realize Ritz had a VO2 max of 85. He must have poor efficiency to not be running 13:10's?
not at all....he just hasn't gone african yet (which is to say he isn's doing epo)..... if he does he will run 12:44
It was the real Spivey. Trust me little boys
rocky wrote:
not at all....he just hasn't gone african yet (which is to say he isn's doing epo)..... if he does he will run 12:44
And you just haven't gotten your medication yet. When you do, I have all confidence that you will refrain from slandering hard working runners, far better than yourself in all respects, with your small mind and weak personality.
Bloom is one of the best writers on running.
....god your an idiot what percentage of those caught on EPO of been african?....yeahalso if his Vo2max is really 85 EPO isnt what he needs, i doubt very many of the kenyans have that high of a Vo2max
rocky wrote:
Dweez wrote:I didn't realize Ritz had a VO2 max of 85. He must have poor efficiency to not be running 13:10's?
not at all....he just hasn't gone african yet (which is to say he isn's doing epo)..... if he does he will run 12:44
Kenny Moore is the best
I like Ritz and he has a great future ahead of him but one run in Belfast against a (by comparison to the World field) weak field should not be considered the greatest run in the past 20 years. Ritz has talent and I hope that he proves all of us wrong that are cautioning everyone on their over-optimism, but Ritz should consider a top 15 a HUGE success and a top 10 a huge milestone in his early career.
The field gets ten times harder this weekend than it was in Belfast.
hey,
What can I say - I read the article, and thought of three races off the top of my head that were better than those listed, Sydnee's WR and my own AR ... if we are looking at winning the race and a record. I added my time, as I needed a pat on the back for the day. Thank you for the encouragement of "humble" title.
Regarding vo2 - I was treadmill tested from 1989 through 1997 by Dr. David Martin in Atlanta, Georgia. HE is the formost authortity on reading treadmill tests and applying to how you can train better: In my opinion. Example:
On May 1, 1992, my sustainable vo2 max was 70.0 and the highest reading 75.3. That's approaching the normal range of runners. How did Dr. Dave help me? He said that I needed to continue to raise this number, throughout the summer, which meant continue to do my long runs (90 mins), and add a track workout of 800's in 2:30 or miles in 5:00 instead of a speed session. The Olympic Trials are June 22, 26 and 28th finals for the 1500m run - what do you do? You know that a 22-year old Steve Holman can run fast by then ... Terrance Herrington won the 1500m the year before at the USATF/New York on a kick.... Joe Falcon ran 3:49. in 1990. You know in your heart that you have to do speed work ... and yet, if you trust in the numbers, you know he is right. I decided to add this workout weekly: May 19: 2x1000 254.9, 2:54.2; then 800 221, 1000 255; 800 220; 1000 255 and similar workouts. I even did this type of workout on September 1 before Reiti 3:33 1500m on Sept 6: 3 miless in 15:22 while Marcus O'Sullivan ran repeat 200's. I felt I needed to continue to bump up my vo2, as you can only work as a % of this number. Dr. Dave said the highest he had ever tested was 91% of vo2 (threshold).
I was tested again in September post-season, and had raised my sustainable vo2 to 75.5, thus getting a good grade on my report card from Dr. Dave.
In 1993 I was tested, and I too am blown away by the results: sustainable vo2 85.2 with the highest range 88.3.
For trainig that year, Dr. Dave said - "pile on the speed work. If you can raise your threshold to 90%, you will be awesome."
So maybe nr is 85 right now, but is this sustainable or the high number... my guess, is that it is the high number. If he is 81 sustainable, maybe he could race 13:38 right now on the track. But that is not his goal - Cross-country and what's between the ears is. I met Brad Hudson on a plane after the Oly Trials, and reading into his thoughts, this is information that he is light years ahead of others, and how he plans his workouts. What nr has going for him is his age. He thinks he can win, or, he knows he will run well. That's the stuff that Dr. Dave can't measure. When I raced post age 31 (1992-1996), it helped going to the line thinking: "I know I am fit and will race well, I just don't know how well." When you toe the line, and Morcelli, Komen, or Kiptanui is going for the WR, it was hard for me to put myself in their class. Self-defeating, you have to focus on your race. Mike Durkin, my coach and 2x Olympian said in 1992: "Tell me who won the race, when you hit the finish line." What he meant was, be in the race at the finish, that as soon as you cross the line, you could point to the winner. If you knew this, rather than being told later who the winner was, then you had competed. This took the pressure off, and letting me focus on my race.
js
bison still rolling! great stuff
He is brilliant. Dr. Martin
Mr. Spivey please keep posting. Can you share any workouts you did at different times?
Jim, great info.
In case it was lost the first time, could you reply to my first post?
I had a question about your pool workouts that Marius Bakken had mentioned.
I am oft-injured and sometimes in need of good alternative work.
Thanks.
fezzig wrote:
i doubt that was the real jim spivey who posted here. first of all, thats not spivey's email address @ vanderbilt - you'd think he'd know his own email address, no?
Spivey's writing style is inimitable. That's him, I'm sure of it.
Can anyone list Spivey's p.r.'s
plus, if you are going to include women, how could you not mentions lynn jenning's three straight world XC titles--the greatest accomplishment by any american distance runner (any gender) ever.