Maybe someone should start looking into the conduct of the Cornell team. It seems that over the past few years a Cornell member is always in the middle of a controversial DQ or near DQ. Is that what it takes to win or is it just really putting everything into a race? I don't need think the Cornell staff would encourage this behavior as it isn't a great reputation to obtain, but still, its being cast as the Cornell way to win.
Just thoughts...
It remains the job of the officials to call violations of conduct and to subsequently DQ them....It is not as if there were flagrant fouls and Cornell never paid the price...ie Heps 2003 when the 4X4 was DQed for the anchoe leg knocking down Pricneton....
Ithaca is gorges.
Some Cornell 400m girl is DQed and Cornell has a reputation for running dirty? Tenuous connection at best....talk about sour grapes.
Maybe someone shoud look into it...like who? Kenneth Starr? Roscoe P. Coletrain? The FBI?
This is such a crap thread. I mean come on, Cornell got points and lost points to falls and officiating and DQs at the meet, just like anybody else. People that think it is systematic or that all the CU 400 women used a team effort to defeat the Penn girl are just plain pissed off that Cornell is so much better than the entire league in indoor track. HYP combined still loses to Cornell's women. Scary!
The suggestion that Cornell runners have ever systematically and intentionally fouled opponents is ridiculous. When Princeton and Penn used to kick everyone's ass the rest of the league hated them. I guess no one likes a winner. I mean, remember how Jordan used to get all the calls? And that must be why the Bulls kicked ass, right? It was an NBA conspiracy...or wait, maybe Jordan was JUST PLAIN BETTER than everyone else.
Hmmmm....
what about the women's mile? I heard a Cornell girl was involved in the tangling up that happened there - definitely cost Ferrell some points, if not the race. ???
Here is a thought that was brought up by a mate. Do you think cornell has more athletes because they are not are rigid with their academics? After all, they are pretty much a state school.
nobody wrote:
As for the Penn team storming the track, sounds like sour grapes by someone. A guy who isn't even the best distance runner on his team wins what appears to be one of the most exciting indoor distance races in recent years over a 4 flat miler who also won XC and you don't expect his teammates to get excited? Please. That race would have been like Rojo or Wejo taking out Jason Stewart or Sam Wilbur back in the mid-90's. In fact, it kinda reminds me of Donal taking out Slicko at Dartmouth way back when.
Rojo didn't run in college and I never made it to the show in XC like Tully or run 8:06 for 3k (faster than Bruce this year) but I agree it was an upset and it is sour grapes those bitching about the celebration. (Supposedly Andy powell formerly of columbia was at the meet and is an assitant at columbia and said it was the best track meet he's seen. the fans really get into it) If anyone was still on the track at that point, they were getting lapped. Tully's the best longer distance indoor runner on that team right now.
And Donal winning the 3k over Slicko and Shearer was a great one. He also won the 5k the next day (over yours truly) so its not like he didn't have any talent.
wejo wrote:
If anyone was still on the track at that point, they were getting lapped.
really, i was still on the track at that point, and i don't remember getting lapped.
i do remember almost getting run over by about 20 penn guys though
What??!?!!? Cornell is practically a state school?? Are you kidding me? Cornell has, I believe, two "colleges" that New York partially funds. This has nothing to do with the acceptance rates into Cornell. Cornell also doesn't have lower academic standards. You are clearly misinformed for suggesting Cornell's dominance on such things.
All this crap that everyone is talking about excuses to "why Cornell?" are ridiculous! The reason is plain an simple:
Cornell has a better program. Cornell has better coaches. Cornell has better athletes. Thats why they won HEPS. END OF STORY. The Cornell coaches know how to coach their athletes, the athletes respond exceptionally well to ROJO and Taylor's training, thats why they cleaned up at Heps.
This junk about Cornell using questionable tactics to win races is also insane. When you are running on a track at top speeds and 6-8 people all cut in at once, people can easily fall! Nobody was trying to take anyone out, there was no conspiracy. Someone got tangled up on the cut in and they went down. Stop your wining about that.
If anyone wants to complain about Seabrook's elbow, they should watch the 400 trials where the same Princeton guy threw Goggins back out of the pack with an elbow. He tried the same thing on Seabrook, and Seabrook threw him off.
hmm, this wasn't supposed to be a reply to WEJO...but to Casual Track Fan.
I should really learn to use this board :/
sorry wejo
what wejo meant was no one of consequence was still on the track
Attention Steve Muschetti...you just got served.
"Cornell also doesn't have lower academic standards. You are clearly misinformed for suggesting Cornell's dominance on such things."
I can't help but remember some guy named Bruce Hyde who flunked out of Cornell then was readmitted. Is that true or just rumours? If it's true, it makes me question Cornell's academic standards. I'm not sure if all of the other Ivies would reaccept a student if he flunked out.
Cornell does not have grade inflation...
Are you Bruce's Academic advisor? ...please present his report card...
If you look at many students in College..including all the HEPS schools, many students take semesters off for whatever reason..personal, academic..even redshirting one year due to injury..other priorities etc...... However, stats indicate that HEPS schools graduate their students and athletes in 90 plus percent range within 6 years...If you want to single out people who took years or semesters off...you may want to indict Tora Harris as well who won 4 indoor high jump titles in FIVE years!
um hello..definition of state school is a school that gets direct funding from the state, as part of cornell DOES. there is a private school, and a public school. the athletes come from both.
mmm....donuts wrote:
what wejo meant was no one of consequence was still on the track
you're right, i ran terrible and wasn't in the race at all. my point was that i shouldn't have to slow down to avoid getting trampled during the last lap of my race, no matter how shitty i'm running
Neuropsychiatrist wrote:
Are you Bruce's Academic advisor? ...please present his report card...
If you look at many students in College..including all the HEPS schools, many students take semesters off for whatever reason..personal, academic..even redshirting one year due to injury..other priorities etc...... However, stats indicate that HEPS schools graduate their students and athletes in 90 plus percent range within 6 years...If you want to single out people who took years or semesters off...you may want to indict Tora Harris as well who won 4 indoor high jump titles in FIVE years!
There's a difference between taking a semester off and flunking out. I heard he flunked out, which leads me to the main point: You are in school to learn then run. Hence scholar-athlete. Seems Cornell doesn't have those priorities straight if Hyde indeed flunked out. Reminder: There's also a difference between taking a semester off out of your own free will and being told you can't cut it academically and need to leave.
The fact is, Bruce DID fail out of Cornell, and the Cornell coaching staff wasn't exactly secretive or protective of this piece of information. That's why everyone who competes against him knows this.