Is Property Tax a scam?

Yea its a scam. Its singling out property owners to pay for thing everyone uses. Sales tax seems more fair, or raise state taxes. Property owners have enough expenses!!

Yes, of course. Property tax is legalized theft.

shukhov wrote:

you probably hate having your streets plowed, your town's children educated and your garbage collected, too.

you probably wish you just lived in a sh!thole town with no taxes, run by gangs because no one is in charge. while the people in the town over from you are safe and secure with a working police force.

this probably sounds dandy to you, mr. puterschmuter. well i think you should just go ahead and run for mayor. do it! use this as your campaign. then you can create your little sh!thole town that you and neo-con friend have been dreaming about!

Sooooo, if the average house in my town has to pay $25,000 property tax a year and there is approx. 3,000 homes, that comes out to $75,000,000. You're telling me that's how much it's costing to have my streets plowed, my children edumucated, and garbage picked up?? Seriously?? How can anyone justify a total of more than 5-10 million a year for a town of 8,000 I do not know.

ryan foreman wrote:

Actually I think that is the only tax the founding fathers believed in having. Income taxes on the first $100,000K of your hard earned income is the scam.

Puterschmuter wrote:

Paying for what you already own...

What about if it is just an income tax on the first $100,000 of your easily earned income? Is it a scam then?

Puterschmuter wrote:

Paying for what you already own...

Your "ownership" is meaningless without the means to enforce that ownership. Welcome to the role of the state.

Don't want to pay taxes on it? No problem. Just don't come crying to the state when someone with more physical power than you tells you to get the hell off his property.

Property tax is fuggin peanuts. What are you biatching about? I pay more for garbage and water.

Every tax is a scam because you don't give it in good will. You give it away bynthe threat of punishment

makes me cringe wrote:

There is a huge difference between what the taxes were during Ben Franklin's time and now. I doubt Franklin would be happy with the current tax situation in America.

The permanent federal income tax was not established until 1913.

The Social Security tax was not until the 1930s.

The Medicare tax were not established until the 1960s.

And, each of these taxes started at a very small percentage level and grew enormously over time. (Federal income tax started at 2% for income over $4000. FICA/Medicare started at 2-3%)

Notice a trend?

You mean, America gradually becoming more just, productive, wealthy and powerful in concert with increases in the size and scope of its federal government?

The Bible Made Me Do It wrote:

makes me cringe wrote:

There is a huge difference between what the taxes were during Ben Franklin's time and now. I doubt Franklin would be happy with the current tax situation in America.

The permanent federal income tax was not established until 1913.

The Social Security tax was not until the 1930s.

The Medicare tax were not established until the 1960s.

And, each of these taxes started at a very small percentage level and grew enormously over time. (Federal income tax started at 2% for income over $4000. FICA/Medicare started at 2-3%)

Notice a trend?

You mean, America gradually becoming more just, productive, wealthy and powerful in concert with increases in the size and scope of its federal government?

You mean, the federal government grew to such out of control proportions and corruption has gotten so bad that they will stop at nothing from leaching as much as possible from hard working citizens?

Property tax is basically the one tax that makes complete sense. Most land is completely worthless. Your land is worth money because services are provided to it and because there are other things near it. So when you pay property tax, you are paying tax on value that is actually added by society.

It would make sense to get rid of all the other taxes and only tax property. The government didn't do anything to earn a quarter of my income or 7% of the value of everything I buy. They do, however, provide the infrastructure, policing, parks, schools, and other public services that make my property worth something.

HGeorge wrote:

Property tax is basically the one tax that makes complete sense. Most land is completely worthless. Your land is worth money because services are provided to it and because there are other things near it. So when you pay property tax, you are paying tax on value that is actually added by society.

It would make sense to get rid of all the other taxes and only tax property. The government didn't do anything to earn a quarter of my income or 7% of the value of everything I buy. They do, however, provide the infrastructure, policing, parks, schools, and other public services that make my property worth something.

No. You pay for what you need separately. You want policing, you pay for policing. You don't have children, you don't pay for schooling. You want garbage pickup, you pay for garbage pick up. What you DO NOT pay for is for the property your damn home is on. When you pay off your home, you should really own your home. No one should have the power to take that home away.

You think property taxes are bad?

In Texas miss paying your POA assessment and those Farkers will auction your house faster than you can say Internal Revenue Service.

Halelujah wrote:

The Bible Made Me Do It wrote:

You mean, America gradually becoming more just, productive, wealthy and powerful in concert with increases in the size and scope of its federal government?

You mean, the federal government grew to such out of control proportions and corruption has gotten so bad that they will stop at nothing from leaching as much as possible from hard working citizens?

How do you know those citizens are "hard working"? Or is that just some cute rhetoric to bolster the emotional appeal of your "argument"?

ok dammit listen. Taxes are not about who worked hard, or what the government deserves, or even how the roads and schools are built.

Taxes are a compact between you and the government to protect you from someone else knocking down your door, wasting you and your family, and taking everything. Because you make that bargain with them - and don't deny you depend on their protection - they themselves can take nearly whatever they want from you, as long as it's not everything.

No matter how many guns you have, someone else could always outgun you if it weren't for your government. They are your liege lord without which you would perish in a pool of blood. Do as they say.

Limits on Property Taxes are complicated because there are so many different types of taxing districts and there have been a number of initiative and legislative actions over the years. There are at least 30 types of taxing districts subject to different maximum levies individually and in aggregate.

This makes sense under a land value tax. Current property taxes disincentive building density on land.

The GOP have failed us in Texas hugely in this area. it’s so ridiculously expensive.