not a real doctorate wrote:
http://www.csun.edu/pubrels/clips/June07/06-18-07M.pdf
Amen to that!
Maybe we need to make up a new term for MDs and PhDs beyond "doctor" to point out the distinction between these real doctorates and the fake doctors (known in healthcare as noctors). Maybe superdoctors?
Sports wrote:
They're two different professions. One is not gold and the other is not silver.
For health care:
Gold=MD
Silver=DDS
Bronze=Pharmacy?
Below Bronze=PT?
Below below Bronze=PA, maybe?
Super below bronze=RN?
Cell phone etiquette wrote:
For health care:
Gold=MD
Silver=DDS
Bronze=Pharmacy?
Below Bronze=PT?
Below below Bronze=PA, maybe?
Super below bronze=RN?
Gold=MD
Silver=DDS, PA, NP
Bronze=Pharmacy, PT
Below Bronze=RN
Below below Bronze=Chiropractor
more like wrote:
Cell phone etiquette wrote:For health care:
Gold=MD
Silver=DDS
Bronze=Pharmacy?
Below Bronze=PT?
Below below Bronze=PA, maybe?
Super below bronze=RN?
Gold=MD
Silver=DDS, PA, NP
Bronze=Pharmacy, PT
Below Bronze=RN
Below below Bronze=Chiropractor
Usually, the higher-paid something is the harder it is. (Exception: business)
Dentists get a lot more than PA's and NP's, plus it is a 4+ post-college endeavor while being a PA/NP is a two year masters.
Pharmacists make good coin and it is very competitive to get into. Plus, it is a 4 year doctoral program. (I don't know what that other poster is talking about when he says that most pharm graduates get into pharmacy school after 2 years of college. Everybody I know has a college degree THAN applied to pharmacy school. I literally know one person that got into pharmacy school after three years of undergrad)
I would rate PT higher than PA because it is three years, but just barely.
Usually, the higher-paid something is the harder it is. (Exception: business)
Pharmacists make good coin and it is very competitive to get into. Plus, it is a 4 year doctoral program. (I don't know what that other poster is talking about when he says that most pharm graduates get into pharmacy school after 2 years of college. Everybody I know has a college degree THAN applied to pharmacy school. I literally know one person that got into pharmacy school after three years of undergrad)
I would rate PT higher than PA because it is three years, but just barely.
You must be an older guy/girl. I know only one person who didn't go into a PharmD program after three years of undergrad, and that's because she wasn't sure what she wanted to do for the first two years. Three years of undergrad prior to pharmacy school is by far the norm now.
Some PA schools are three years, so the argument that PT is better than PA because of the extra year of education is a poor one. I would say that a PA (and a NP) is far more valuable than a PT due to the scope of practice. Physical therapy is a pretty limited field. A PA can work in many different specialties, making them very valuable.
I would also learn the difference between "then" and "than" if I were you.
money has little to do with it wrote:
Usually, the higher-paid something is the harder it is. (Exception: business)
Pharmacists make good coin and it is very competitive to get into. Plus, it is a 4 year doctoral program. (I don't know what that other poster is talking about when he says that most pharm graduates get into pharmacy school after 2 years of college. Everybody I know has a college degree THAN applied to pharmacy school. I literally know one person that got into pharmacy school after three years of undergrad)
I would rate PT higher than PA because it is three years, but just barely.
You must be an older guy/girl. I know only one person who didn't go into a PharmD program after three years of undergrad, and that's because she wasn't sure what she wanted to do for the first two years. Three years of undergrad prior to pharmacy school is by far the norm now.
Some PA schools are three years, so the argument that PT is better than PA because of the extra year of education is a poor one. I would say that a PA (and a NP) is far more valuable than a PT due to the scope of practice. Physical therapy is a pretty limited field. A PA can work in many different specialties, making them very valuable.
I would also learn the difference between "then" and "than" if I were you.
I'm not an older guy/girl. It's called a typo, dude. When you be typing fast, you be making mistakes at times.
Cell phone etiquette wrote:
(I don't know what that other poster is talking about when he says that most pharm graduates get into pharmacy school after 2 years of college. Everybody I know has a college degree THAN applied to pharmacy school. I literally know one person that got into pharmacy school after three years of undergrad)
1. It's "THEN" you were looking for. This is elementary school type stuff.
2. You obviously don't know enough people at different pharmacy schools. Many of the schools only require two years of undergraduate work and no actual degree completion prior to enrolling in pharmacy school.
;lkajsdf;lkasf wrote:
Cell phone etiquette wrote:(I don't know what that other poster is talking about when he says that most pharm graduates get into pharmacy school after 2 years of college. Everybody I know has a college degree THAN applied to pharmacy school. I literally know one person that got into pharmacy school after three years of undergrad)
1. It's "THEN" you were looking for. This is elementary school type stuff.
2. You obviously don't know enough people at different pharmacy schools. Many of the schools only require two years of undergraduate work and no actual degree completion prior to enrolling in pharmacy school.
Dude. It was a typo. If you type 80+ words per minute you're going to make a mistake. What was your SAT score? Your college attended? Your MCAT score? Your board scores? Pinche guey.
;lkajsdf;lkasf wrote:
Cell phone etiquette wrote:(I don't know what that other poster is talking about when he says that most pharm graduates get into pharmacy school after 2 years of college. Everybody I know has a college degree THAN applied to pharmacy school. I literally know one person that got into pharmacy school after three years of undergrad)
1. It's "THEN" you were looking for. This is elementary school type stuff.
2. You obviously don't know enough people at different pharmacy schools. Many of the schools only require two years of undergraduate work and no actual degree completion prior to enrolling in pharmacy school.
You've never made a mistake, have you? You get a 4.0+ in HS, attend an elite close to ivy league college, and get an 85 percentile on the very difficult MCAT test while gaining acceptance into several medical schools? You may very well be better than me, but I doubt it.
Pinche guey que se fija en un solo dedazo de un párrafo largote escrito muy de prisa. Acaso nunca te hayas equivocado al teclear en inglés? Bueno, a lo mejor sacaste calificaciones perfectas en la prepa, te postulaste a las facultades de medicina más prestiosas de los EEUU y además de ser muy alto, guapo, y "fornido", te defiendes bien en varios idomas?
Pero lo dudo mucho, ya me cansé de leer tus comentarios tontos...más vale no hacerte caso guey.
It doesn't take any Graduate School at all to learn A & P, or strength training. That's why Personal Trainers exist.
A Doctorate Degree was implemented for many reasons, but here are 3 FACTS I can present for your ignorance:
1) a Healthcare professional who costs HALF the cost of the visit compared to your Orthopedic Surgeon (after your PCP and imaging) is just as effective at Diagnosing your musculoskeletal injury, even without the imaging!
2) Your Surgeon, PCP, and Neurologist are way too busy and too expensive to continue to see you. Even if they could, or had the patience to tolerate you, they DON'T KNOW much about what exactly to do to rehabilitate you after your procedure, and they sure as hell don't care about it because it isn't as lucrative as the surgery they sold you at $60K a pop.
3) The transition to a Doctoral Degree became the new expectation to help keep ALL Healthcare Costs lower. Now you see a provider who gets paid a Teacher-Salary income, and understands more about your internal responses to rehab and a need to refer you to another provider if needed. You can see them (yes) without a referral (Direct Access). But they also have to know a lot more than just how to move your knee. Some of us treat people dying of brain cancer, children with Cerebral Palsy and require endless braces and interventions just to stand, or teach your family how to safely transfer someone's Grandma after that car accident that broke her pelvis and both legs, and tore her rotator cuff.
Example: Dumb ish walks into a clinic with back pain (without a referral, because now that we have Direct Access because of that Doctoral Degree, you saved money by skipping a doctor's visit). He is evaluated, and not just for his back, but an assessment of his medical history and further examination has pointed out some red flags. DPT realizes that he is NOT here for back pain, but in fact Kidney Failure. Boom -> Appropriate referral and something Dumb ish had no understanding of because it isn't "BASIC STRENGTH TRAINING PROCEDURES" that he could have GOOGLED! This is why the profession transitioned itself. To provide you better, more cost effective healthcare options, to keep your insurance rates lower than an ER visit and 20 Ortho appts. PT's make TRASH money comparatively in Healthcare, and pay the same student loans to get there. There are still practicing Bachelor's & Master's Level PTs, and they are wonderful, well-experienced PTs, they just didn't learn a lot of the body systems complications that can arise or be screened for. NOT everyone is appropriate for PT. At the time when they were educated, PT was in it's adolescence.
I'm sure there are idiot PT's out there. There are also idiot doctors, and idiot people. For a person to spend their life helping other people wipe their asses, feed themselves, and be able to return to work, they don't get much "thanks" for their job. Maybe it's a reflection of how "simple" Dumb ish people think their job is.