Nicole Michmerhuizen's 10K - Lap Short?

trello wrote:

yeah this is essentially what wejo did when he ran 28:20 or whatever it was with a 29:50 PR.

only 24 lap... eat turtle soup... wojo not man

Why do Americans mix metric and imperial distances. The reference to the "couple miles in the middle..." seems odd. Do you mix Celsius and Fahrenheit in the same conversation?

The 10k can be a different animal. I know 2 guys who ran sub 29:20 for 10k but who have PRs of 14:20's for 5k. It's not uncommon at all.

coach nitpick wrote:

Why do Americans mix metric and imperial distances. The reference to the "couple miles in the middle..." seems odd. Do you mix Celsius and Fahrenheit in the same conversation?

Not much different from how you call a 1/2 liter drink a pint, I don't think.

This is crazy! Are we really going to discredit her accomplishments because another girl she raced ran slow later in the year at B10s??

Why would she need to run faster in her 5k two weeks before nationals? All she has to do is qualify. Her only loss this entire season to a collegiate runner is Cazzola who she almost beat running BY HERSELF, and every other race hasn't even been close. So she finally gets some competition and runs fast! Is that too hard to believe? Also, her coach is an Olympic Bronze medalist. If any girl in D3 were going to run that fast right now, wouldn't it be her?

Let's not take away from her race until we have something legitimate to question it with.

I was there wrote:

So she finally gets some competition and runs fast!

what competition? one person finished within 90 seconds of her. she took it gun to tape no different from every other race this year.

Also, her coach is an Olympic Bronze medalist. If any girl in D3 were going to run that fast right now, wouldn't it be her?

okay this has to be satirical. never mind. carry on

Why do Americans mix metric & imperial? Above I used it casually, unconcerned this audience would care. For those not very well acquainted w/the metric system - and even some who hear it all the time (T & F athletes), as an announcer I'll share the metric AND imperial because if I didn't, they wouldn't be able to picture how far/how high the distance was. Not many casual American fans know how far a 49.32 discus toss or 1.99 high jump is. Many American T & F athletes aren't much better at knowing how far or high they are either.

That mixing miles & meters to you seems odd parallels Americans referring to our sport as T & F, not athletics and soccer vs football. In other words, call it what you want, it's still the same thing - understandable to different groups of people.

No to your last question. I could quickly adapt to the metric system - but by degrees, it'd take other Americans a while to a long time to never. It's like learning a new language - some pick up on it faster than others, some never.

coach nitpick wrote:

Why do Americans mix metric and imperial distances. The reference to the "couple miles in the middle..." seems odd. Do you mix Celsius and Fahrenheit in the same conversation?

the miles to kilometres is a very easy conversion. almost all serious runners know how to do it and can do it quickly in their head.

FYI:

.621 miles=1 km

1 mile=1.603 km

mixing C/F is different, because the scales are different, it's not a direct conversion like the above.

If you check the results she won by 11 seconds. If you were there (which you obviously weren't) you would have seen Brender from MI State take the lead midway through the race forcing Michmerhuizen to go with her, causing her second 5k to be run faster. Lastly, a large amount of people there realized she was on pace to do something special and their cheers from the 5k mark on kept her going. They all can count too, and they did. To 25.

we were all there wrote:

I was there wrote:

So she finally gets some competition and runs fast!

what competition? one person finished within 90 seconds of her. she took it gun to tape no different from every other race this year.

Also, her coach is an Olympic Bronze medalist. If any girl in D3 were going to run that fast right now, wouldn't it be her?

okay this has to be satirical. never mind. carry on

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Eye witness accounts aside, Nicole running a lap short seems inconsistent with "all other runners (excepting 2nd place) performed within their capabilities". It would be obvious to all in attendance that the first two runners lapped the field, so, unless the field ran two more laps after she finished, they too would have had skewed results.

I was there and recorded all 25 splits for 2nd place Melanie Brender. They both ran the full distance.

Not sure if this helps, but I've run at Hillsdale about 7 times. That track is crazy. Every time I've PRed (except once when I went out like an idiot).

My freshman year I PRed from 33:45 to 32:00. This shit happens, and I have every lap split from the race so I know I wasn't short. Everyone PRs at this track. The races are usually run at night and the field is always looking for PRs, so they aren't afraid to help with pace work.

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reed wrote:

i know a girl who had a 16:57 5k PR who ran 34:18 for 10k the same season. she later improved her 5k PR to 16:45 or something but hasn't run faster yet.

her race was on flotrack and was definitely 25 laps. she just improved a lot. no biggie

i also set a 10k PR faster than my 5k PR at one point according to my official race results shown in my bios/profiles.

Thundercats_GO wrote:

Not sure if this helps, but I've run at Hillsdale about 7 times. That track is crazy. Every time I've PRed (except once when I went out like an idiot).

My freshman year I PRed from 33:45 to 32:00. This shit happens, and I have every lap split from the race so I know I wasn't short. Everyone PRs at this track. The races are usually run at night and the field is always looking for PRs, so they aren't afraid to help with pace work.

Oh so what youre saying now is that she ran the correct number of laps but the track is short eh? Sounds like a 395 to me.

Its starting to sound like it was LEGIT to me. Btw that is my second simpsons reference in two days on here. oiy.

This is not unusual at all-- that Hillsdale meet is always very fast. As others have noted, it's a product of the competition, the pacing, the time of day, and the time of the season. There were also four division III guys at 29:43 or under-- the #10 all-time mark in D3 is 29:32.

Thundercats_GO wrote:

Not sure if this helps, but I've run at Hillsdale about 7 times. That track is crazy. Every time I've PRed (except once when I went out like an idiot).

My freshman year I PRed from 33:45 to 32:00. This shit happens, and I have every lap split from the race so I know I wasn't short. Everyone PRs at this track. The races are usually run at night and the field is always looking for PRs, so they aren't afraid to help with pace work.

Are there a lot of trees surrounding the track?

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1 mile = 1.609344 km