The Animal Within wrote:
So High Schools don't do tempos or speed development?
Again, I am not seeing the differences between the "win now" vs. "devolop later" training you all speak of.
Perhaps you can read my post again and try to understand it better.
There was a book about high school training out, it had top high school kids and what they ran. Rupp I believe was in it.
He ran about 60-70 mpw
standard oregon type speed work
lots of drills before and after ever practice and meet.
Alberto always had Rupp doing drills and hurdle stuff after races.
Rupp would warmup for an hour to and hour and 1/2 before most races.
Workouts after races even in high school.
He did a jog the straight race the curves 3000m in sub 9 minutes.
Every race had very a specific plan (I had two of my H.S. d1 level kids beat rupp in a race, he was a soph, they were seniors) Alberto calling out all the time stick to the plan.
Alberto ran a group of high school elite kids from the area all older then Rupp. Including Alec wall (FL)ran 8:17 hs 3k and Chapa's kid who ran 3:50, 1:51 and Mike Mcgrath who ran 1:48 Rupp would chase these guys who were older and just get faster every run, he ended up beating them all.
They would also Prey before each race.
Rupp ran 9:07 for 3k in junior high of little training for the CYO youth team.
Rupp's mom won the Oregon state meet for Xc in h.s. twice
don't know much more
I don't think Rupp ran in junior high. That 9:07 was 9th grade probably.
Concentrating on the 30 s 200s is no way to think about Rupp's talent, because speed is precisely the thing he did not have much of, relative to other top guys, until this year. Endurance on relatively low mileage is the key, and coachability (and no one else has a great pro coach in high school).
Not HS, but shortly after:
It was in 9th grade, and it was 9:08. He ran it at the Mt. Hood Conference District Meet at Mt. Hood CC. He got 5th. I was in the race, way behind Rupp, running for David Douglas High School.
I was also in multiple races in which Rupp did jog the straight, race the curves type stuff and I witnessed him doing post race workouts often.
It was in 9th grade, and it was 9:08. He ran it at the Mt. Hood Conference District Meet at Mt. Hood CC. He got 5th. I was in the race, way behind Rupp, running for David Douglas High School.
I was also in multiple races in which Rupp did jog the straight, race the curves type stuff and I witnessed him doing post race workouts often.
jjjjjjj wrote:
Concentrating on the 30 s 200s is no way to think about Rupp's talent, because speed is precisely the thing he did not have much of, relative to other top guys, until this year. Endurance on relatively low mileage is the key, and coachability (and no one else has a great pro coach in high school).
he had speed, he just couldn't utilize it at the end of a race.
a very fundamental difference there.
Oh c'mon. Specifically I think Rupp's soccer coach told Salazar he was doing no less than ten 200M at 30 seconds apiece. This was when Rupp was 14 or 15. That indicates endurance and speed and yes it is impressive. When you do that, then have Salazar as your coach to do a high quality training for the next couple years, then enter a well paced 5000M against other great runners it all adds up to a great 5000M time.
jjjjjjj wrote:
Concentrating on the 30 s 200s is no way to think about Rupp's talent, because speed is precisely the thing he did not have much of, relative to other top guys, until this year. Endurance on relatively low mileage is the key, and coachability (and no one else has a great pro coach in high school).
Its clear ya'll have no clue what his training was.
But I know for sure it wasn't BALLLERNESS!
http://thehighschoolrunner.com/2008/01/ballerness.html
He still lacks that ballerness to throw down in the last 300 like boss.
themanontherun wrote:
Back when Rupp was still in high school, a book came out with the training of a lot of the top high schoolers of the time. Solinsky is in there as well if I recall correctly.
Went looking around, can't seem to find my copy of this book. Anyone remember what it was called, or where to find a copy online?
This is from Training Profiles: High School Boys distance by John Nepolitan.
Typical week XC
Sunday: Long run of about 16 miles @ 6:30 pace
Monday: 7 miles @ 6:30 pace
Tuesday: Interval workout on woodchip trail Ex. 12x 1k in 2:55-56 with 2:30 recovery. 2 mi. warm up/ cool down ~14 miles total.
Wednesday: 3 mi. AM/ 7 mi. PM
Thursday: 7 miles @ 6:30 pace
Friday: Hill workout with track intervals first. Ex. 2x 800m. in 2:10 w/400m recovery, then 3 sets 200,400,600 meter hills in 33/71/1:51, then finish with 2x800m on track again. 2mi warm-up/cool-down.
Saturday: 5-6 mile run
Winter track was basically the same thing with some 150s and 300s added to the workouts. Outdoor track focused more on faster intervals with a dual meet where he would run 10x 200m in 30-31 after the meet.
Looks like he was around 70 miles a week with 2 good quality workouts a week. Doesn't say much for weight training, just some push-ups, leg lifts, and sit-ups.
This whole thread is fundamentally flawed when you are analyzing what his training regimen is when he 'started running'.
Any post in this thread that doesn't contain the word "soccer" is totally wrong.
I guess it was the testosterone that may have pushed him to 13:37
How many seconds would (micro?) dosing of testosterone provide? Would he have been a sub-13:50 guy without it, and it just got him a few seconds, or does it give a bigger boost than that?
Here's some more proof that galen was doping even in high school.
galen rupp= lance armstrong
Rupp!!! wrote:
Enigmatic wrote:All the long term approach means is that he was backed off on the mileage moreso than other elite high schoolers.
He still did the tempo runs, the k repeats, long runs, etc.
Yet he still managed to break the high school 5k record along with other records. How was he able to do this and be "backed off on the mileage?"
Most likely Rupp was more talented than you and much better coached.
khyfjyt wrote:
clipmoarder wrote:Rupp was hand-picked by Salazar. His vision, after the failure of the original Oregon Project, was to find the most supremely talented natural runners and train them with a heavy focus on high-tech stuff (Rupp has had an altitude tent since high school). It's not too surprising to see his success now. He has pretty much had everything perfectly set up for him for the last 10 years.
Salazar had picked some girl too. Also a supremely talented runner who was a soccer player, but apparently she was a head case (or just wasn't that interested in being a walking physiology experiment) and went back to soccer after a few years.
Caitlin Chock. The problem there was an eating disorder. AlSal tried to both fix the eating disorder and have her training well but it didn't work out so she stopped running competitively. Good decision.
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