didn't already run sub 7:50 a few years back at Udub indoor?
didn't already run sub 7:50 a few years back at Udub indoor?
Running on Empathy wrote:
I know it's *conventional wisdom* that everyone on the planet needs to move up a distance, but in the case of Fernandez (and Rupp) I would rather see these guys dedicate themselves to joining the sub-3:50 mile club first. Lomong may have made a mistake in moving up to the 5k this year, and probably would have medaled in the 1500 in London.
Develop speed first and foremost, squeeze every single ounce of speed potential you can out of the body while you are in your 20's, then when you turn 35 you can start looking at the 5k/10k.
WhatYo wrote:Why are you guys making predictions about his 1500 time? He's a 5000 guy. Even Lomong moved up to the 5000. He is training with a team of 5000 and 10000 guys. The predictions should be for the 5000.
If he stays healthy, he'll be a 3:35/13:10-15 guy next year. It usually takes a year to get used to Jerry's training (see Bumbi).
In 2014, if he can have uninterrupted training and a strong mental approach, he could be sub 3:34 sun 13:00.
In 2016, Bumbi, Lomong and Fernandez will be a solid 5000 crew, hopefully all with sub 13:00 credentials.
Then Rupp, Solinsky and Derrick will make a very strong 10000 team.. likely with all sub 27:00 credentials.
That seems like the future.
with respect, that's an absurd proposition.
no way lomong would've medalled in the 1500. doubtful he would've made the final.
everyone - almost everyone - wants to run the shortest event they can really excel at. everyone thinks - or wants to think - they are the fastest sprinter. rupp doesn't need to work on his leg speed anymore. even salazar has said he's faster than farah (he's run 11.2 with a two step start for the 100m).
GREMNA HERNDANDEZ was arguably never a better miler than 2 miler and 5k guy. yeah he won the NCAA 1500 and got the AJR, but he also has the 5k AJR, and placed 5th in the 08 trials. his 8:34 in high school is superior to his mile time. someone with his speed would have no trouble adapting - theoretically - to international 5k's.
Brojos wrote:
didn't already run sub 7:50 a few years back at Udub indoor?
He has ran 7:47i, in addition to 3:37 (this year) and 13:25.
Beating others wrote:
Does it say a lot that most choose Schumacher even though Salazar has gold and silver medalist?
Fernandez was given a choice in signing with Nike. He chose Schumacher. Ask him why.
Ummm ever hear of Evan Jager??? He's so dreamy.
Thomas Wastolife wrote:
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everyone - almost everyone - wants to run the shortest event they can really excel at. everyone thinks - or wants to think - they are the fastest sprinter. rupp doesn't need to work on his leg speed anymore. even salazar has said he's faster than farah (he's run 11.2 with a two step start for the 100m).
Did you seriously just say "leg speed"? Seriously?
How about his leg speed velocity? Perhaps he should really focus on his elbow speed or his foot speed. Perhaps his navel speed or shoulder speed.
SPEED IS SPEED, MORON!
Thank you - This has been a public service announcement brought to you by the Leg Speed Velocity Society of America.
I thought he had become a vegetarian right before his injuries which tells me that he either has food allergies or becoming manorexic.
Runner from the North Country wrote:
I just don't think that joining Schumaker's group is the way to go because every single runner he coaches ends up injured under his watch. I can't imagine why he wouldn't try to get in Salazar's group. There he would have access to all the technology advantages Rupp and Farah use to stay injury free. There is no guarantee he would stay healthy 100% of the time (like Ritz hasn't been able to) but still, he would have a much better opportunity to run and consistently improve rather than be injury sidelined on Schumaker's meat grinder program.
YES. Why would he join Schumaker . . . The guy who let Chris Solinsky train until he tore his hamstring from his pelvis? Does this sound like a coach you want if you're injury prone?
The way Solinsky pounds out the miles, lets hope to God Fernandez never trains with him.
usa traxx wrote:
did he get his college degree?
Your answer is at 5:59 of this video.
http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/248567-2012-NCAA-D1-Outdoor-Track-Field-Championships/video/640588-German-Fernandez-talks-about-final-and-rough-road-since-freshman-year-at-2012-NCAA-Outdoor-Champstoo close... wrote:
Can't wait to see him run the 3000m. I think a few good 3000m races would be good to transition from 1500m for good. He's a great miler, but his true potential will always lay with the longer distances.
Fernandez ran a 3:55 as a Freshman AND won the NCAA 1500m. What in the world makes you guys think that the 1500m isn't his best distance? Why is his "true potential" the 5000m? How many titles has he won in that?
We love you Coach Dave!!!!
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Captain Leg Speed Velocity wrote:
Thomas Wastolife wrote:...
everyone - almost everyone - wants to run the shortest event they can really excel at. everyone thinks - or wants to think - they are the fastest sprinter. rupp doesn't need to work on his leg speed anymore. even salazar has said he's faster than farah (he's run 11.2 with a two step start for the 100m).
Did you seriously just say "leg speed"? Seriously?
How about his leg speed velocity? Perhaps he should really focus on his elbow speed or his foot speed. Perhaps his navel speed or shoulder speed.
SPEED IS SPEED, MORON!
Thank you - This has been a public service announcement brought to you by the Leg Speed Velocity Society of America.
you seem very deserving of my handle.
is this really something that upsets you? gets under your skin? or are you just addled mentally in some way and prone to schizofrenic-torrets-like outbursts on random topics? it's clear from your post that you were never a coach or an athlete, or at least not a very good one, or at least you haven't been since your blackout internet rage erased your memory of running terminology.
For your edification:
SPEED can refer to anything. speed to run a marathon, speed to run 55 meters, speed to do well in the long jump. in longer distance specialists, SPEED could mean he can break 13 in the 5k, or it could mean he can run a 3:58 final mile.
LEG SPEED is used in the context of the specific sprinting capabilities of longer event specialists. LEG SPEED is what we talk about when we talk about galen rupp. it is not merely his ability to run 3:58 the final mile of a 5k. it's his ability to close in 52.xx, or drop a 12.xx 100. LEG SPEED is what gave him an olympic medal. he's had SPEED since he was a teenager.
and it's all relative.
and you need to undergo anger management.
jnkjgiuhiughi wrote:
too close... wrote:Can't wait to see him run the 3000m. I think a few good 3000m races would be good to transition from 1500m for good. He's a great miler, but his true potential will always lay with the longer distances.
Fernandez ran a 3:55 as a Freshman AND won the NCAA 1500m. What in the world makes you guys think that the 1500m isn't his best distance? Why is his "true potential" the 5000m? How many titles has he won in that?
Perhaps it is that too close... has a non-zero understanding of the sport.
jnkjgiuhiughi wrote:
too close... wrote:Can't wait to see him run the 3000m. I think a few good 3000m races would be good to transition from 1500m for good. He's a great miler, but his true potential will always lay with the longer distances.
Fernandez ran a 3:55 as a Freshman AND won the NCAA 1500m. What in the world makes you guys think that the 1500m isn't his best distance? Why is his "true potential" the 5000m? How many titles has he won in that?
I don't have the link to it, but he did mention in an interview that year he won was just a year where he said he was so fit that he thought he was just unbeatable at every distance but didn't really reflect the distance he is most suited for, which is the 5k. The 3:55 indoors is a bit of an anamolly for him since it was a world junior record his freshman year but it still only equates to 3:37 which is his outdoor PR.
He won NCAA in impressive fashion but you have to remember that there were a few in that race who could've ran 3:39 pace in their sleep and easily outkicked Fernandez had they not had bad races in the final. Luck had a lot to do with that win.
Runner from the North Country wrote:
That doesnt answer the question I asked. Why do you think that 1500m isnt his best distance? 3:37 is just as good as 13:25 isnt it? Plus, he's never been durable enough to last in long distance training.
That's 2 facts pointing to the 1500m. What are your points? I'm not trying to argue, I just have never seen any evidence that 5000m is his better distance.
jnkjgiuhiughi wrote:Fernandez ran a 3:55 as a Freshman AND won the NCAA 1500m. What in the world makes you guys think that the 1500m isn't his best distance? Why is his "true potential" the 5000m? How many titles has he won in that?
I don't have the link to it, but he did mention in an interview that year he won was just a year where he said he was so fit that he thought he was just unbeatable at every distance but didn't really reflect the distance he is most suited for, which is the 5k. The 3:55 indoors is a bit of an anamolly for him since it was a world junior record his freshman year but it still only equates to 3:37 which is his outdoor PR.
He won NCAA in impressive fashion but you have to remember that there were a few in that race who could've ran 3:39 pace in their sleep and easily outkicked Fernandez had they not had bad races in the final. Luck had a lot to do with that win.
Oops, I messed up the quote feature. That should read...That doesnt answer the question I asked. Why do you think that 1500m isnt his best distance? 3:37 is just as good as 13:25 isnt it? Plus, he's never been durable enough to last in long distance training. That's 2 facts pointing to the 1500m. What are your points? I'm not trying to argue, I just have never seen any evidence that 5000m is his better distance.
Runner from the North Country wrote:
jnkjgiuhiughi wrote:Fernandez ran a 3:55 as a Freshman AND won the NCAA 1500m. What in the world makes you guys think that the 1500m isn't his best distance? Why is his "true potential" the 5000m? How many titles has he won in that?
I don't have the link to it, but he did mention in an interview that year he won was just a year where he said he was so fit that he thought he was just unbeatable at every distance but didn't really reflect the distance he is most suited for, which is the 5k. The 3:55 indoors is a bit of an anamolly for him since it was a world junior record his freshman year but it still only equates to 3:37 which is his outdoor PR.
He won NCAA in impressive fashion but you have to remember that there were a few in that race who could've ran 3:39 pace in their sleep and easily outkicked Fernandez had they not had bad races in the final. Luck had a lot to do with that win.
[quote]jnkjgiuhiughi wrote:
Oops, I messed up the quote feature. That should read...
That doesnt answer the question I asked. Why do you think that 1500m isnt his best distance? 3:37 is just as good as 13:25 isnt it? Plus, he's never been durable enough to last in long distance training.
That's 2 facts pointing to the 1500m. What are your points? I'm not trying to argue, I just have never seen any evidence that 5000m is his better distance. [quote]
Well aside from the point being that he himself admits he is a 5k guy, you have to remember that he doesn't have much speed. His 800 meter pr is only like 1:55 (not that he can't run a bit faster than that)and he always tries to win from the front to take the sting out of the kickers. In the international scene that type of racing isn't going to get him any wins if he can't kick. Not a knock on Fernandez, but he is more of a distance guy.
Also, every season he has been injured in has been in track season, not during cross. He ran for a 6th place overall finish last cross season after not even being able to break 3:50 for 1500 the track season before. Then for the track season after that cross country season he still raced poorly at the mile indoors and did not even make it to the ncaa indoor championships. This just tells me that he is more of an upper distance guy than a miler.
shoe guy wrote:
He has ran 7:47i, in addition to 3:37 (this year) and 13:25.
Has run.
Beating others wrote:
Does it say a lot that most choose Schumacher even though Salazar has gold and silver medalist?
Fernandez was given a choice in signing with Nike. He chose Schumacher. Ask him why.
He chose Dave Smith. 'Nuff said.
Runner from the North Country wrote:
[quote]jnkjgiuhiughi wrote:
Oops, I messed up the quote feature. That should read...
That doesnt answer the question I asked. Why do you think that 1500m isnt his best distance? 3:37 is just as good as 13:25 isnt it? Plus, he's never been durable enough to last in long distance training.
That's 2 facts pointing to the 1500m. What are your points? I'm not trying to argue, I just have never seen any evidence that 5000m is his better distance. [quote]
Well aside from the point being that he himself admits he is a 5k guy, you have to remember that he doesn't have much speed. His 800 meter pr is only like 1:55 (not that he can't run a bit faster than that)and he always tries to win from the front to take the sting out of the kickers. In the international scene that type of racing isn't going to get him any wins if he can't kick. Not a knock on Fernandez, but he is more of a distance guy.
Also, every season he has been injured in has been in track season, not during cross. He ran for a 6th place overall finish last cross season after not even being able to break 3:50 for 1500 the track season before. Then for the track season after that cross country season he still raced poorly at the mile indoors and did not even make it to the ncaa indoor championships. This just tells me that he is more of an upper distance guy than a miler.
gotcha
Is there any truth to the rumor that he and Bumbi recently did a 2k time trial in 4:59?