Agreed. The World is always "falling apart as we speak" when you are a pontificating douche. Every generation thinks the World is ending.
Agreed. The World is always "falling apart as we speak" when you are a pontificating douche. Every generation thinks the World is ending.
It wasn't premarital sex. Brandon Davies was caught double dipping a potato chip into some french onion dip at the hotel after the San Diego State game. Nothing illegal there, but i wouldn't call it an honorable act. And while we're at it let's get somebody to write up a bill making it criminal to double dip.
You guys honestly think that having a world without any system of moral conduct is a good thing?
Take the world and subtract cheating, stealing, lying, abusing, killing, extorting, etc., from the equation and you feel this is not a more ideal situation?
People like you are why this world is in the poor state it is in today.
I strongly disagree with many, perhaps most, theological claims of the Church of Latter Day Saints.
These are, however, persons pursuing a noble and difficult standard of personal conduct and morality. Mormons are, on the whole, sincere people who are trying to live their faith. That is not an easy thing; it is a thing wothy of honor. And it's no help calling them hypocrites for those moral imperatives; if a man always meets his own standards of goodness, his standards are not likely to be very high.
No one is saying that, maccabee. Your shtick is getting old. Morals are great. But sometimes morals are corrupted and used as a tool by religion and other institutions for their own benefit. Which is what the Mormon "church" excels at. You think the Mormon religion was founded on good moral principles? Give me a break. It was a business venture as much as anything. Joseph Smith was a crook and a charlatan. Why do you think he was run out of every town he settled in? Hint: he wasn't being persecuted.
There may be more to this story, he may be up to something on the DL here...
It's not that we don't want a system of moral conduct. It's that we don't want hypocrites making a mockery of said system. In this BYU case, if every coffee drinkin' sexual intercourse having student is thrown out or disciplined, then fine. That is their code. However, if a big donors son/daughter gets caught with iced tea and condoms doe s he/she serve an equal punishment. Maybe more details will come out but right now the Davies case seems fishy.
This happens more than you may think at BYU..
Remember their star RB Unga?
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/21495/byu-rb-unga-withdraws-from-school
For the record: I don't like BYU
An institution that has the balls to kick out two of its star athletes who are instrumental to the success of their money-generating athletic program (see: Harvey Unga and Brandon Davies) is one that is obviously not in it just for the money. I'm sure you look in the mirror too much to know differently, but there are actually people trying to live a good life.
maccabee wrote:
An institution that has the balls to kick out two of its star athletes who are instrumental to the success of their money-generating athletic program (see: Harvey Unga and Brandon Davies) is one that is obviously not in it just for the money. I'm sure you look in the mirror too much to know differently, but there are actually people trying to live a good life.
By "live a good life" you must mean they realize that maintaining total mind control over their subjects (and getting that lifelong tithe) is even more important than winning a few football games.
I dated an ex-Mormon. She is beautiful, and a wreck. The mind control is scary.
She is a wreck from hanging around people like you. Her life would have been much better had she stayed with the Mormons.
The one guy who has to be the most pissed about this is Mitt Romeny. Goodbye Presidential bid now that the lunacy of his idiotic religion has been exposed nationally. Do we really want someone in the Oval Office who vows not to drink coffee, swear and grow a beard because a convicted fraud claimed that's what God told him to do 150 years ago?
This is from the off campus living portion of the honor code. Be sure to use the bathroom before you go visit a friend of the opposite sex.
"Visitors of the opposite sex are permitted in living rooms and kitchens but not in the bedrooms in off-campus living units. The use of the bathroom areas by members of the opposite sex is not appropriate unless emergency or civility dictates otherwise, and then only if the safety, privacy, and sensitivity of other residents are not jeopardized."
http://saas.byu.edu/catalog/2010-2011ucat/GeneralInfo/HonorCode.php#HCOfficeInvovement
They waited until Jim McMahon had played his last game to kick him out.
He set 57 NCAA records, the most of anyone ever to play the sport, had the best winning percentage of any QB in BYU history, won their first and second bowl games, and was a consensus All-American...twice...
..was elected to the 25 anniversary WAC team and the College Hall of Fame.
But he's still not in the BYU hall.
maccabee wrote:
You guys honestly think that having a world without any system of moral conduct is a good thing?
Take the world and subtract cheating, stealing, lying, abusing, killing, extorting, etc., from the equation and you feel this is not a more ideal situation?
People like you are why this world is in the poor state it is in today.
A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. (Albert Einstein, Religion and Science, New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930
I am no atheist but is foolish to say lacking faith in a believe system gives no moral to society. I dont rape,kill,murder,steal symply becuase i now its simply wrong not because i fear punishment or hope for a reward when i die our human morals have a evolutionary origin zero origin in religion. My native country of Panama is pretty religious and on recent times crime is out of hand while in Sweden were 85% is atheist/agnostic crime is so low that some jails are closing beacause they have little incoming inmates my post is not a defense of atheism as i believe in a higher power myself but is pretty foolish to claim that religion gives moral to society.
BYU uses its athletic program as a PR wing of the church. They want the teams to be very, very good. It gives BYU national coverage. But, when it serves them, they will kick a kid off the team so that they can grab national headlines for the church being the pillar of righteousness.
It works! People eat it up.
R4SHOT wrote:
F***ing Mormon idiots. Living in Utah, I'm pretty sick of these fascists.
The ironic thing is, anyone living in Provo knows that BYU is notorious for hard drug use and prescription drug abuse. Sure, there is little to no drinking going on among the student population. But go to a house party and there will be a dozen people railing Xanax off a coffee table.
Video link please
R4SHOT wrote:
LDS beliefs have more in common with radical Islam than other Christian denominations.
care to expand on that? maybe back it up or something?
Dean you have bashed BYU on here before, didn't you marry into a Mormon family and not like it ? are you Mormon ?
I am Mormon and my wife went to BYU. Love her and her family, certainly no problems there. They're all very cool. I lived in Provo for a year and found BYU very problematic, which isn't really worth getting into.
To be fair, we haven't been to church since the Prop 8 stuff started. I'm not a model Mormon.