Big Pharma's Secret Agenda Exposed !!!!

tomtom wrote:

If TV is your source of medical knowledge I can only say "sorry".

It's proven as much as something can be proven without official permission to perform studies - by hundreds of cured children. There will be never official study about vitamin C as cure for polio, cuz to make such study you need permission - and guess who give permissions? Right, the same guy who produce vaccines and expensive anti-viral drugs.

What are you special needs? TV isn't my source of knowledge, i was making fun of you.

And anyone who uses the word cuz in the middle of a reply, should be banned from these boards for having an IQ under 90.

citation needed wrote:

Why didn't you link one of these "many, many different sources" before instead of one from 50 years ago that doesn't even claim what you say it does?

Because most of them are "case reports" given by patients on internet boards, or doctors in books. Not much a solid proof.

You can google works of dr Levy, who used to treat acute hcv with vitamin C, and here is report of dr Cathcart

well, you can google others. All are forum statements, usually to be ignored, but not when there is thousands of them. As for myself, I can say that vitamin C in doses around 15 grams / day cured so called "common cold" in 36 hours, while rest of my family had it for 2 weeks - still not much proof, as I have higher natural resistance.

Mrr82 wrote:

And anyone who uses the word cuz in the middle of a reply, should be banned from these boards for having an IQ under 90.

Anyone who STILL didn't found out that English is not my favorite skill should be banned for very same reason as stated above.

tomtom, "cuz" is a slang that 13 year old girls use. If you know the English language well enough to have picked that up, you should know better than to use it (unless you really are a 13 year old girl, which becomes more and more plausible after each of your posts).

citation needed wrote:

No one claimed "we have a cure for cancer", just a very good reason to avoid getting HPV. Look up p53 and E2F; they are NOT insignificant proteins.

On the other hand, thanks for your link. That is a very cool study.

Well, I see many other reasons to avoid HPV, but as for cancer there is much, much more that can be done way cheaper than with vaccine. In my country vaccine cost so much that you need to work few MONTHS to buy one. For such ridiculous amount of money you got vaccine that might help against one cancer, might not. And everyone is terrorized with commercials about this cancer, just like we were terrorized with this swine flu spam last year.

On the other hand, you can reduce risk of any kind of cancer for free or almost free by following some dietary advices and using some common vitamins and minerals - vitamin D, iodine, magnesium. Yet no one spread such informations. No one inform people they can reduce risk of flu to almost 0% with cheap vitamin D, instead every m.d. recommend expensive vaccines. Vaccines who never were really proved to work with placebo controlled study.

tomtom wrote:

Yet no one spread such informations. No one inform people they can reduce risk of flu to almost 0% with cheap vitamin D

That's because they're not irresponsibly spreading falsehoods like you are, silly.

tomtom wrote:

You can find thousand of such cases, some reported by m.d's, some by patients, unfortunately we do not have full-time placebo controlled study (and we will not have anytime soon, since checking vitamins is prohibited by big pharma).

Big Pharma apparently hasn't done a very good job of prohibiting these studies:

HCV:

HIV:

fighttheman wrote:

green is not blue wrote:

It is amazing how many Americans take Rx drugs on a daily basis.

Yeah, I should stop taking my epilepsy meds. I didn't really almost die from that seizure on the interstate. Big Pharma lies to sell me their drugs.

Actually epilepsy in most cased can be easily cured within weeks or months - by re-balancing omega 3 to omega 6 ratio, removing heavy metals and fluoride from the brain, fixing some vitamin and mineral deficiencies and so on. There are private clinics where you can try this, but your drug dealer told you such treatment doesn't work and your only choice is to pay him for drugs to the rest of your life.

tomtom, your fundamental misunderstanding of how medical care is administered in our country is undermining any of your arguments. The people who develop the medications are not the people "selling" medications to patients. The doctors do not get payment for prescribing medications. The person you pay for drugs in the USA is not the same person who is responsibly prescribing/giving you the drugs.

citation needed wrote:

Big Pharma apparently hasn't done a very good job of prohibiting these studies:

HCV:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16894312

HIV:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9764785

read carefully. I was talking about ACUTE HCV, while in this study they checked CHRONIC. It was stated by every doctor who used vitamin c - it cure acute hepatitis, but not chronic.

As for HIV - first I want to see PROOF that such disease is caused by virus. I can prove here and now that HIV virus does NOT kill CD4 cells. And hey, we were talking about MEGAdoses, above 15 grams, not silly 1 gram, right?

oslo wrote:

tomtom, "cuz" is a slang that 13 year old girls use. If you know the English language well enough to have picked that up, you should know better than to use it (unless you really are a 13 year old girl, which becomes more and more plausible after each of your posts).

Typical. Call him out for not speaking English the way you would like him to and that's supposed to discredit everything he has to say. "Cuz" is a slang that 13 year old girls and people who don't know english very well use. It is quite common for people who are learning english to come across a lot of slang before they are even well-versed in the language, so I wouldn't be so quick to criticize him. It has nothing to do with his intelligence, it's just slang.

By the way, unless the human body has changed somehow in the last 50 years, I don't see how his study being that old reduces its credibility. If the things that happened really did happen, then that's proof that they CAN happen, and that should be enough, unless you can explain the results according to your hypothesis.

turkey leg wrote:

jimmy joe the camel tail wrote:

I like how you would rather just drug kids than teach them not to have sex. How responsible of you.

I agree. I tell my kids to just drive safely so they don't need to wear safety belts.

Faulty analogy. Celibacy would be more like not driving the car at all. It's hard to get a sexually transmitted virus when you don't have sex. I still can't believe people in this day and age just think it's a forgone conclusion kids will have sex. Is it a possibility? Absolutely. But, if you educate them, talk to them, instill morals and self-respect instead of just giving them a shot...our country as a whole might look different. Instead, we tend to take the easy way out and let quick fixes do the job parents should.

The HIV study actually supported the use of antioxidant therapy. The point is these studies ARE being done, contrary to your claim.

Believe me, if Vitamin C is shown to work, Big Pharma will find a way to make money off of it. And the multivitamin companies are already making plenty of cash themselves off internet rumors.

oslo wrote:

tomtom, your fundamental misunderstanding of how medical care is administered in our country is undermining any of your arguments. The people who develop the medications are not the people "selling" medications to patients. The doctors do not get payment for prescribing medications. The person you pay for drugs in the USA is not the same person who is responsibly prescribing/giving you the drugs.

In YOUR country, and in almost every country on this world M.D.s need to follow some rules. Your doctor CAN'T prescribe vitamin C as cure for acute hepatitis, since it's "not scientifically proven". It's not proven because no one performed a study. No one performed study because no one got permission to do so. And no one got permission because such permissions are controlled by corporations. I used term "your doctor" because it simply sounds better as this whole statement written above.

citation needed wrote:

The HIV study actually supported the use of antioxidant therapy. The point is these studies ARE being done, contrary to your claim.

Believe me, if Vitamin C is shown to work, Big Pharma will find a way to make money off of it. And the multivitamin companies are already making plenty of cash themselves off internet rumors.

You're missing the point. Big pharma DOESN'T WANT things that work. They want things that will make you feel comfortable while doing nothing for your condition. Why make money off of something that works when you can keep people addicted to something that doesn't actually work but makes you feel better?

You most certainly did not use the term "your doctor", I'm referring to your use of the term "your drug dealer." You insinuate that the doctor is the one being paid. And also immaturely labeling doctors with a negative connotation in an underhanded manner.

someone else wrote:

You're missing the point. Big pharma DOESN'T WANT things that work. They want things that will make you feel comfortable while doing nothing for your condition. Why make money off of something that works when you can keep people addicted to something that doesn't actually work but makes you feel better?

I feel so very bad for people who are this paranoid.

citation needed wrote:

The HIV study actually supported the use of antioxidant therapy. The point is these studies ARE being done, contrary to your claim.

Believe me, if Vitamin C is shown to work, Big Pharma will find a way to make money off of it. And the multivitamin companies are already making plenty of cash themselves off internet rumors.

Well, sure, some studies are done, for example study of dr Ornish (ironically, he had BIG problems getting permission and studies were done practically with his own money) but in cases above they are studies done to DISCREDIT vitamin C.

We know this vitamin cure acute hepatitis but not chronic? Let's make study about chronic and publish it.

We know very high doses of vitamin C can control AIDS (yes, it does control disease as some MD's reported)? Let's make study with very low doses.

someone else wrote:

You're missing the point. Big pharma DOESN'T WANT things that work. They want things that will make you feel comfortable while doing nothing for your condition. Why make money off of something that works when you can keep people addicted to something that doesn't actually work but makes you feel better?

OK you've got me confused. Are you actually on my side and trying to subtly parody conspiracy theorists? If so I apologize for not catching on.