Schumacher quit acting like your training is a breach of Homeland Security

lazy moron wrote:

So you want someone who has spent a lot of time developing a program to just give it to you? How about doing your own damn research, stop being such a lazy pouting little baby and doing something for yourself for a change? Stop depending on others, they don't owe you a damn thing.

you my friend are a tosser!!! it's running for christ sakes not a security breach

I am a fan of the sport and would just like to learn something from elites, have no intention of copying a program nor do I believe Schumacher owe's me anything

knowledge is power, share the wealth

I think I'd rather know what those at the top are doing instead of our guys half a lap behind.

joiwef wrote:

It would be cool if our top groups would share with each other so we could get closer to the Ethiopians and Kenyans.

it would also be cool if we were born with the same genes as ethiopians and kenyans.

do you REALLY think it's all training? that the US, with all its technological advantages and training advantages and wealth and nutrition, couldn't figure out how to beat out some kenyan villagers?

the best kenyans and ethiopians are genetically superior to the best (white) americans.

every species with worldwide distribution displays regional variation. this applies to humans as well. biology 101.

Nonsense. There is no genetically superior nation. There is superior fitness from superior training and racing, but you will probably never understand.

Lil Bit wrote:

Here's a bit of info on the training approach of Schumacher's:

http://www.trackandfieldradio.com/show_details.aspx?sid=44

thanks for the link, interesting that the staple workout is a 8-12 mile tempo run, Solinsky mentioned this after his 26:59, wonder how much they do workouts at 5k-10k pace

Testoboost/ Androgel is illegal. Checked the list, in and out of competition, it is illegal. Hope that isnt true and you cant see a bottle anywhere near an american athlete.

FYI, always best to provide that list or link when making such claims.

Otherwise it's just another round of hubba bubba.

You all are giving Schumacher too much credit. There are plenty of coaches out there that would have success if they were given the top talent and the resources of Nike.

Heck, the Kranicks could do it, maybe better.

some old coach.. wrote:

You all are giving Schumacher too much credit. There are plenty of coaches out there that would have success if they were given the top talent and the resources of Nike.

Heck, the Kranicks could do it, maybe better.

In response to that nonsense, this:

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Perspectivation wrote:

No, quite the opposite. Not all coaches are the same believe it or not. Vin Lananna has coached a fair share of post collegiates without little success relative to his ability at the college level. There are numerous other examples. Some high school coaches can't coach college and vice versa. Vin is a genious at managing the various adolescent egos that enter college, seriously. Jerry is likely less of a manager of personalities and more of shaper of mature runners.

Pros need less hand holding and motivating and can handle higher expectations without micro management

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If it's so easy then why they heck aren't they or any others with the success that Jerry has? Because it aint so easy. Look there are a handful of cookie cutter assembly line high school programs who recruit 50-100 runners per year and show up as top ranked teams year after year, and 99% of their runners go on to do NOTHING in college. That's mostly due to running the legs off of 100 runners, having a decent program, strong desire from the athletes easily built off the performances and history of teams before. It's easy to make a decent team out of a huge pool and in relation to the lack of coaching and depth at 99% of the high school programs.

Coaching pro's is taking the best of the best, and making them stand out amongst them. Totally different level, not even apples and oranges here, more like apples and blueberries.

the training consists of the same stuff he did at wisconsin. long aerobic tempo runs is the basis of their training along with all the great programs in the nation.. it is what works.

Testoboost is not illegal.

Where did you see that? All of the ingredients are allowed under USADA rules.

Got a link to back up that claim?

Do you have any idea how many more women run professionally now? Comparing the opportunities today versus a generation ago is absurd. It is far more accepted culturally --and now far more sensible financially -- to keep training as female post-collegiate.

Okay, lets talk about the the 800m/1500m.

Since the 80's US women w/<2' 800m speed have developed the capability to run ~4' 1500m. And those women were often racing solo at the front, not tucked in behind pacesetters. Not to mention the fact that our fastest 800m today (Vessey) does moderate not high mileage, so whatever is happening it sure ain't volume. Slaney broke down running over 60 miles/week -- on woodchips. What do you think would happen to her if she were training in Mammoth today? Double fracture.

The more we put <2' 800m runners into the 1500m, the more runners near 4 flat we will have.

One last thing. Watch the video of Moorcroft running 13' solo. He was training an average of 75 miles/week or so, often training down near 5 pace on his overdistance. Auoita ran a bit less mileage to break 13' and Maree ran a bit more for 13:01. And of course Lagat closed out a <13 with a 51.8, doing so without high volume training.

The US should have *at minimum* five runners <13' but if it happens it wont be because everybody is running 120 miles/week.

Stop acting like every elite who has and will break 13:00 must train the same way to do it. Every person is their own separate experiment of one. Generalizations don't work, period.

Cox ain't training right for Comrades... he's actually training too fast and too hard. Comrades is about fuel. He should have consulted with Salazar before making the investment. Make the investment in knowledge and the payoff will be great.

flotrack has a video with Rupp a while back where he is ask about his training and his response was, "can't show my playbook", what is he in the NFL!!!

come on it's running the training is for the most part universal, no secret plays that the opposition can use against you, what kind of horseshit are these Nike athlete's fed

please tell me what the harm would be to show a brief snapshot of their training, IMHO could only help to market the sport and the athlete's, we all know that athletics needs more commercial exposure

so Schumacher and Salazar (I know both of you check out Let's Run) let's see some training info

Rupp has shared plenty of workouts, hell they invited a reported to his 40-30 workout and gave splits. No great program collegiate or pro show all their cards, that would be stupid. It's a competitive game, if you show all your cards you give your competition the advantage, mostly in the result of confidence. Keep them guessing, chances are their not as confident to beat you.

Weekend warriors want to know what Rupp and Solinsky are doing? Do you read a Ferrari manuel to operate on a Civic? All you need is a Lydiard book dumbed down.

They do not want everyone to realize that they are not doing anything special. That is the secret. They are training hard! It is simple. There is no secret workout.

He has read the riot act to young guys and then had them come out and do great things afterwards.

Schumacher has always kept his training very secretive. I was told that he made Josh Spiker take down his running log on his website to keep workouts from getting out. Very secretive guy.