I run a 17:50 5K. Is there a division 1 or 2 school I can run at?

most d3 rosters aren't 20 kids deep, mine isn't nor many of the d3 schools around me

NIRCA has some decent fast guys actually who can run in the 25s and 26s, but it's kind of sad because some of these top NIRCA guys could be actually getting scholarships believe it or not and helping out NCAA schools but in most cases they didnt get along with the coach or didnt want to train on an actual team.

This idea that just because something is a "club" means it sucks is also wrong. I mean Oregon Track Club is a "club." Zap Fitness competed at USATF club nationals, right?

And even at the actual post collegiate club level, BAA is a "club" Central Park Track Club is a "club." Most of these guys ran some very respectable times in NCAA in college and a few may later qualify for olympic trials marathon...

i kind of hate the use of the word "club" for anyone who runs more than 40-50mpw but whatever. i take my running too seriously to label it a club. but even bill rogers ran for a "club" kara goucher runs for a "club"

it's just like the fools on here who say that if you're not making a living off running, then it's just a "hobby" or you're a "hobby jogger."

If you run a respectable runner's amount, like 40-60+mpw or more, and if you are always trying to improve your PRs, then you're not a "hobby jogger" What do you think?

there you go, would be a perfect fit.

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yes, i am serious wrote:

the main "obsession" with D1 is because of academics.

i want to be a chemistry major and teach at the university level if possible.

Depending on your grades and test scores, you might want to look at the UAA schools: Brandeis, Carnegie, Case, Chicago, Emory, NYU, Rochester, WashUStL. They're Division III, but are certainly among the country's most respected academic institutions.

Granted, the competitive level among UAA schools is pretty high, but most of them seem to welcome lesser-performed runners as well, including guys in the 29-30+min range (see, e.g.,

). In particular, some of these slower guys seem to be on squads at the Midwestern schools.

In any event, for teaching (esp. in the sciences) at the university level, your *graduate school* program is key. It may be a bit easier to get into a top grad school if you attend a major research university as an undergrad, but a) some of those are DIII (see UAA), and b) you'll need to nail your UGGPA, no matter what school you attend, and that high GPA *may* be easier to get at a smaller school.

Good luck to you. You're smart to be serious about all this stuff in your junior year.

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kjhbtcsx wrote:

NIRCA has some decent fast guys actually who can run in the 25s and 26s, but it's kind of sad because some of these top NIRCA guys could be actually getting scholarships believe it or not and helping out NCAA schools but in most cases they didnt get along with the coach or didnt want to train on an actual team.

The only difference between the top NIRCA programs and decent-but-not-great D3 programs is that the NIRCA teams don't have budgets for travel, uniforms, meet entry, etc and have to pay for everything out of pocket. That and we don't have very good facilities access for training. The standard of training and professionalism is just as high. For any track and field athlete who wants an education at a big school but isn't talented enough to run for that school's varsity team (especially in the Big 10), NIRCA is an excellent option and not just in the distance events.

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this aint a troll, if u got somethin to say, say it. otherwise shut your piehole we know ur a b*tch *ss n*gga from Jersey Shore or somethin n*gga

How many commas in ur bank account? none n*gga

You can do it. I ran 17:20's as a junior, then got slightly faster as a senior. As a sophomore in college I recently ran 14:53. Hard work can go a long way.

yes, i am serious wrote:

the main "obsession" with D1 is because of academics.

i want to be a chemistry major and teach at the university level if possible.

i live in the midwest, the green bay possibility does sound intriguing.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that d3 is going to give you the better academic experience anyway. Look at the top d3 schools where you'd fit in perfectly with the running--e.g. Swarthmore, very laid back program, but very dedicated toward improvement too, absurdly good academics. Some place like Williams or Haverford will also let you run, because the coaches are good people and want to develop runners regardless of their talent--and the schools are way better than anything in Green Bay. Oberlin too, more in the midwest. Look d3, you'll have more fun and get a better education. The d1 programs where you'd get a better education are also going to have way too good of teams for you, and their coaches won't have time--the ivy's, Georgetown, Stanford, the Big 10/Big 12/SEC/Pac10 (science programs are decent at the major schools, I suppose). At a d3 school, you can go to the same academic level (Williams is as good as an Ivy for undergrad) but be able to run, have a coach who cares about you, and teammates who care too.

I would agree. I don't know what you want to major in, but If I could do it all over, I would probably go with a strong academic that is also a D3 powerhouse..... as the above poster suggests. I think UChicago, NYU, Williams, Haverford, Tufts, Oberlin, Bowdoin, Bates, MIT, Hamilton, etc...Brandeis also has a great group. You don't want to go somewhere where you get little to no attention from coach and JUST dropped by your teammates on the "easy-paced" training runs.

Also, there are some D2 schools you could make the team for, but if you want a big name school and you're the academia type, these D2 schools are generaLLY not viewed as prestigious...but in D2 Northeast there is Stonehill and Bentley. And There's also UMass Lowell, of course like these D2 schools I mention here these D2 northeast schools are obviously not as prestigious and competitive admissions/academics wise as the top paragraph schools (which are undoubtedly right up there w/ best in country),but, depending on what you're looking to major in, if it's something more practical for example, might be worth a look. all the above have great running programs wehre you'll probably have a spot on the team as long as you are willing to train like a college runner (e.g. 60+ mpw) and improve

Another great school I'd suggest (mainly for running) is D3 Keene State. Keene State is known for high mileage program and they have fast guys all the way down to slower guys who do improve a ton. Another one - SUNY Cortland (where Jack Daniels PhD had his D3 powerhouse) or Geneseo - some of those schools.

Good luck, hope this helps a bit

I am a senior in high school this year, last year my PR in the 5K was 18:16, this year I ran 16:53. I never ran more than 55 miles a week over the summer and only ran 50 or more 3 times because of various things o had going on. Just work your butt off and get enough sleep (I wish I'd done this b/c I ran most days on 4-5 hours of sleep max and now wonder if I wouldve been faster) and see where it takes you in the next year or two.

I walked on to a D2 team with pr's of 17:12, 10:23, 4:40. As a junior in High school I had been under 18:00 only once, like you.

I busted my arse as a redshirt and dropped to sub-16 mins on the track in Outdoor the following spring. I got to where I could run sub-4 in the 1500 any day of the week before I graduated.

Yes, I know these still aren't All American times, but they were more than enough to warrant the coach giving me a partial scholarship in the end...

You can do it.

You dont have to be on a Schools varsity team...... try club sports.... you still get entered in real races, but you can't be denied entry XD there in just about all schools no matter the division

BENTLEY UNIV

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www.bentley.edu

yes, I am serious. wrote:

I am a junior in high-school.

I know I doubt division 1....but there has got to be some division 2 school I can walk on to.

How much would i have to bring this time down to walk onto a small D1 or D2 school?

I was looking at some times from some of the smaller D-1 schools and the times are of course better, but still their worse runners are just a bit better than me.

Input?

thanks.

Short answer: yes there are many.

Longer answer: I wasn't far ahead of where you are my junior year of high school and got to run d1. Never scored but got to travel. Got waaaay faster. Almost made top 7 senior year. Had a blast. That being said, there are also many d1 teams that would not allow you to walk on, and quite a few that would not have blinked at me in my fastest college shape. Depends on the program, the athletic department, and the coach.

If you do find a team to run for, be prepared for the level of your training to jump, through the course of a single summer/fall, a few notches beyond what you thought you could do, even for weak d1 teams. If you can survive that, you'll have a great time. Promise.

F*** all the haters.

This thread is getting a little ridiculous. From personal experience I had a pr of 19:00 junior year, improved to 17:13 senior year. Walked on to a D1 team freshman year improved to 15:45 that year. By the end of college was able to run 3:56 1500/ 14:45 5000. Had a great time with good teammates at a excellent D1 academic school. If you are willing to put in the work and get lucky with injuries anything is possible.

Don't forget that you're still a junior. If you work hard and put in the training over the summer this year, you could definitely break 17 this upcoming season in XC. If you go sub-17, you obviously still won't be cream of the crop, but you'll be faster than the vast majority of your HS counterparts and you'll be able to walk on to a decent number of teams.