Heps Track 2010

Someone might want to be paying attention to the well balanced Columbia women's team after their performances at the Armory Saturday.

Ivy Watcher wrote:

Someone might want to be paying attention to the well balanced Columbia women's team after their performances at the Armory Saturday.

Yeah, good point. IMHO, it is going to be a close battle between Princeton, Cornell, and Columbia on the women's side. I think it's all going to come down to who is going to double/triple up in some of those races, and whether or not those athletes can handle it. Sure, the LJ/TJ and WT/SP doubles are definitely reasonable due to the events being on two different days, but with the many heats in the sprints and common doubles of 5K/3K or 3K/1500, I want to see who holds up the best.

I'm also curious in the battle between Ashtynn Baltimore and Kyra Cadwell in the 60HH. Will this be the year where we have multiple hurdlers qualify for Nationals? Cadwell is slowly chipping off her PR while Baltimore had an low week (she hit the 2nd hurdle last weekend in HYP, which slowed her down a little, and the race was more about placing than speed)

Does anyone think it is worthwhile to do a pre-meet score analysis among the different teams, based on what is posted at DirectAthletics? Or should we forgoe it for this season?

We could be at the dawn of mid-distance/long sprint renaissance in Heps.

The seasonal leaders in the 400, 500, 800, 1000, and mile are all underclassmen.

Merber gave 4:00 a scare. Wade's 2:23 is the fastest Heps time in years and he went 1:49.x on Saturday. Dinkins at Princeton (1:01.70 in the 500) looks loaded with talent, and that's just for starters.

Underclassmen are, in...

400: the top four, and six of first seven

500: the top two of three, and five of the top seven

800: the top two of three, four of six, and six of ten

1000: the top two of three and five of the top ten

Mile: the top four of five and six of the top ten

C/M Runner wrote:

Ivy Watcher wrote:

Someone might want to be paying attention to the well balanced Columbia women's team after their performances at the Armory Saturday.

Does anyone think it is worthwhile to do a pre-meet score analysis among the different teams, based on what is posted at DirectAthletics? Or should we [forgo] it for this season?

Hi. Just back for a second. I don't know whether it's "worthwhile" to do a score analysis, but I've already done one for my own amusement, based on results through this past weekend. So, with the usual caveats, here it is:

Men

Cornell 197

Princeton 176

Dartmouth 46

Penn 44

Columbia 38

Harvard 34

Yale 22

Brown 19

The meet should go down to the relays. Another critical event: the heptathlon. Some guys run it for the first time at Heps, so it's a tougher event to prognosticate; but it's still the key for Cornell's edging Princeton. Do you have Huber do the hep? Or do you have him focus on the three(!) other events where he's ranked in the top four? Or mix-and-match? (And, given the squad-size limitations, can you afford to enter a bunch of guys who are "just" heptathletes?)

Meanwhile, Cornell's Wade is ranked first in the 800 and 1000, an impossible double, so there go some virtual points in the real meet. Still, it seems like RoJo's mid-/distance crew's been making a lot of progress over these last few weeks, so he may have good coverage by his other guys--it'll be interesting to see how he distributes them. (That 800/3k double for Wyner last year would have been a genius move, had Wyner not been stepped on and injured.)

The fight for third place in the meet should be a good one. Dartmouth has a slight advantage in the virtual scoring, and will be at home. I'll still pick Penn, because they cover more events and have more opportunities to score, but I could be dead wrong there.

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Women

Columbia 115

Princeton 110

Cornell 94

Harvard 77

Brown 58

Penn 37

Dartmouth 24

Yale 10

Columbia's women must indeed now be rated at least a co-favorite. Not only do they have more (virtual) points on DA; a good number of those points are the "big-meet" variety i.e. likely to hold up even on a bad day. (A 1.82 HJer will score big points even if she "only" jumps 1.75 at Heps. Et cetera.)

The only reason I wouldn't call Columbia the *sole* favorites is Princeton's ability to squeeze more points from the distances--which, however, is not as striking an "if" as it was a few weeks back. Columbia is indeed well balanced, scoring in 13 events in the virtual meet (matching Princeton, and one event fewer than Cornell). Harvard and especially Brown have the potential to score big points in some events, and could be serious spoilers.

But most likely the meet could/should hang in the balance until the relays. The Cornell women frequently seem to come up big for those. In any case, those should be tremendous races; I would not be shocked to see three (or more) teams close to 9:00 in the 4x8, for instance, even though it wouldn't be on the fastest track. (Example: Though their seasonal best is 9:17, Cornell has five women at/under 2:15 in the open 800.)

All in all, should be a tremendous meet on both sides. I'll hope to follow it on the Ivy Track website.

BRF wrote:

Another critical event: the heptathlon. Some guys run it for the first time at Heps, so it's a tougher event to prognosticate; but it's still the key for Cornell's edging Princeton. Do you have Huber do the hep? Or do you have him focus on the three(!) other events where he's ranked in the top four? Or mix-and-match?

Also to the point, will he be able to compete at all following his injury last week at Penn State?

Tigerfan wrote:

Also to the point, will he be able to compete at all following his injury last week at Penn State?

What happened to Huber?

FYI: pre-conference summaries will be posted at HepsTrack.com beginning next week. The same summaries will be used by the Ivy League in generation of the meet programs. Currently, HepsTrack has its own pre-conference scoring estimates and top-10 listings for each event (including uncontested) on its website.

I'm curious, but does anyone from here check out HepsTrack.com? If so, what do you think of it?

Ancient Ivy wrote:

Wade's 2:23 is the fastest Heps time in years and he went 1:49.x on Saturday.

That is incorrect if you're talking about outside of the Heps meet, since that's where Wade ran his 2:23.99. If you look back to 2007 and 2008, Tim Kaijala ran 2:23.12 and 2:23.58 as season bests.

HepsTrack.com is an amazing site. Brett Hoover does a hell of a job with it! You can check out top 10 performance lists for the league there now. Brett, if you're reading this, the NCAA qualifiers you put on the top 10 list assume a flat track, but many, if not most of the marks on the top 10 list were run on banked tracks. Maybe that's intentional because Dartmouth is flat, but it's confusing nonetheless. Keep up the good work though!

sef9dsafj wrote:

HepsTrack.com is an amazing site. Brett Hoover does a hell of a job with it! You can check out top 10 performance lists for the league there now. Brett, if you're reading this, the NCAA qualifiers you put on the top 10 list assume a flat track, but many, if not most of the marks on the top 10 list were run on banked tracks. Maybe that's intentional because Dartmouth is flat, but it's confusing nonetheless. Keep up the good work though!

Good point. Some of the performances that are listed show they are provisionally qualified for NCAAs based on that flat time, while on DirectAthletics, they aren't officially recognized.

Thanks for the kind words. I have added the listing for the banked qualifiers as well. Also, let me give some credit to others who are now helping feed the beast at HepsTrack.com. We have Mary Boggs at Harvard, who was named Serdakowski back in her running days; Gerry Groothuis at Columbia; Murat Kayali at Yale; Rachel Baker at Brown; Kate Murdoch at Cornell; Tyler King at Princeton; and Deirdre Morris Abrahamsson and Liza Lozovatskaya at Penn. We still need a Dartmouth correspondent, but until them I am using Coach Harwick's weekly wrapup as my source. And if you are interested in Heps at all, you should sign up for our Facebook group! Thanks again. Brett

I saw Merber on the Armory track last night doing 200m sprints. He looked as sharp as he did last Saturday in his 4:02.

C/M Runner wrote:

What happened to Huber?

Separate question, same general topic:

Is Penn's Daryll (sp?) Oliver running indoors? I don't think I've seen him in any results...

He ran a slow DMR 800m leg at this past weekend's armory meet, don't know if he'll race any other meets.

I was there as well. I watched him do 15 - 20 x 200m in 27 - 28 with about 50 seconds rest so easily.

Were Chas and Chenoweth trying in the 3k at HYP last weekend? Or do we think that they are going to try to work together to win out of the slow heat at heps.

weeded out wrote:

Were Chas and Chenoweth trying in the 3k at HYP last weekend? Or do we think that they are going to try to work together to win out of the slow heat at heps.

They both ran the 3K, with Chas coming 2nd and Dan 3rd. Dan led for the majority of the race, but got outkicked by Soloff (P) in the end. Speare (P) put up a good fight as well. But this was Dan and Chas' first race this season. They probably won't be running at the USATF-NE championships this Sunday (although Coach Saretsky said that some people will be competing).

men 3000m @ HYP (scoring spots)

1 Soloff, Kyle Princeton 8:24.81

2 Gillespie, Chas Harvard 8:27.69

3 Chenoweth, Dan Harvard 8:29.03

4 Speare, Rob Princeton 8:30.71

On another note, I'm interested to check DyeStat for the incoming Ivy students. I know most don't get accepted until later in the spring, so are all of those listed Early Admits?

http://parser.dyestat.com/collegepicks.jsp?sort=colleges&seasonyear=2010&submit=Submit

As usual, the Ivies that have any recruits listed have just those of one sex: Brown and Columbia females; Cornell, Princeton (just a couple so far), and Penn (ditto) males; no one listed for D, H, or Y.

The Cornell men's crew is great: some decent middle-/distance guys listed, but also some fine sprinters and throwers and outstanding jumpers (duh). If CU will really be getting another wave of similar admits in April, that's gonna be a *crazy* recruiting class. So much for the Big Red graduating all its TJers.

Is anyone planning on attending indoor Heps this year? Brett Hoover put out a request for anyone who uses text messaging or has internet on their phone if they would like to help out by providing on-site updates of the meet. Hepstrack will be posting results but once they get available (Brett has connections with the timing people). As of right now, there isn't someone available to do "play-by-plays" of the meet.

Any volunteers? Email Brett at

brett.hoover@gmail.com

banked track wrote:

I saw Merber on the Armory track last night doing 200m sprints. He looked as sharp as he did last Saturday in his 4:02.

how many indoor mile races are left for him to enter?