RE: Sarah Palin

"you've got to call Palin ignorant, "creationists" morons, and while you're at it, lump together pretty much all conservative Christian theology with Islamic fundamentalism. I don't want to hijack the thread or get it deleted by going down the road into the standard letsrun religious debating, but there are lots and lots of well-educated, intelligent people who do not see faith, even faith that God created the world (whether or not you subscribe to 6 days) as prima facie evidence of stupidity. When self-proclaimed elites slander that entire worldview, it just makes people like Palin look more attractive by comparison. Once again, I don't plan on ever voting for her. But the fact that she infuriates you and Andrew Sullivan and David Brooks makes me happy."

Resentment. You prove my point. The "elite' you complain of is OPEN TO ANYONE!! Christianity and Islam both believe stuff with no evidence and think that is good enough to make laws and force us to respect it.

"lots and lots of well-educated, intelligent people who do not see faith, even faith that God created the world (whether or not you subscribe to 6 days) as prima facie evidence of stupidity."

Ignorance. Not stupidity. Big difference. Ignorance can be rectified. Of course you will say "that is just your opinion" and thus you have become just liek the relativist liberals you despise. Once was a time when people who were ignorant cold admit as much and sought to rectify it. Not anymore. Now they enoble it and wallow in it.

"When self-proclaimed elites slander that entire worldview.."

Don't Christians and Muslimns slander the secular worldview by asserting we "hate God" or purposefully ignore Him? Conservatism have become so tied to theocracy that it is hard to debate one without the other. This is the point - the religious are used to special treatment and when they don't get it, they lash out at elites as if they are persecuted. All I ask is their views be subject to the same scrutiny as any other views that claim to describe the world. Are scientologists ignorant? I bet you would say they are.

And when did I say I was an elite? I just hope to absorb something from my betters and improve myself.

Yeah, you should be happy that resentful ignorance seeks to govern our nation.

I truely beleive not even the far right think Sarah can run this country. Stevie Wonder can see she is dumb as a rock. She is popular because the base of the republican party(southern poor white trash) wants to f*** her. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hell, I wouldn't mind f***ing her. She looks good. All you have to do is take her hunting in the morning, then take her to a Nascar race and the pussy is yours that night.

Dude, where do you work? Are they hiring?

Of course it is entirely proper to question her lack of intelligence.

If that weren't important, no employer would include that on their applications.

And as to a comparison of her and Truman or even Reagan.

True those guys were not intellectual giants, but they were at least curious.

I'd like to ask the typical supporter of Sarah Palin if they'd hire her to work for them at any job other than spokesperson or showroom model. If they were honest, the answer would have to be "no."

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10 months on the job or not, nothing tangible has changed for the American people.

I agree with you on this statement. So do you know why the right is crying "I want my country back" and acting if the whole world has been upended by Obama.

Keith, I hope that you read this, because I am fascinated with your outlook on Palin. I respect what you have to say, but I entirely disagree with a few of your points...

I really do not think the right wing would attack this as much as the Left has used it to their advantage. Honestly, I don't even think the Chelsea Clinton attacks were a right wing thing as much as a Left wing thing (Letterman, SNL). I honestly think the Right stays away from people's children for the most part. I think that is a Left Wing trick that is just indefensible.

A Pass? Are you kidding? Palin is a joke? She has been crucified by the Left. No chance in hell of ever accomplishing anything. Not that i would have ever voted for her, but it is interesting that you think she was given a pass. What?!

Please answer, as I think I may have misinterpreted your post. I like your posts, btw. I wish you posted more. I just disagree with you for the most part, but when you take the time to comment, I always like it.

Brian, first off,you give me way too much credit. I was merely quoting gamecock's well-worded post and agreeing with him. I think out of respect, you should be directing your comments to him.

Secondly, when you pigeonhole a person's belief system, you do so at your own peril. Yes, I am conservative on financial matters and I want less government in my life; but I am pro-choice, I am definitely not a Creationist (I am generally at odds with the religious right), and I am even somewhat sypathetic to some of the left's views on environmental issues. Sounds like there's much on which we agree. So since you hardly know me, if you even know me at all, how can you tell me that my viewpoints come from resentment?

I'd vote for Sarah Palin in a heartbeat, simply because she is hot!

That's as good a reason as lots of folks voted for Oblama, simply because he was black!

Thanks for the kind words, OldXCguy. And I wasn't trying to pick a fight with Brian, although I think the contrast between our two posts speaks volumes. If you read what I wrote, you'll notice that I admit up front that Palin is a vessel for certain prejudices and resentments, something of a blank slate onto which populists of the right can project their own desires. I tried to answer the question that was asked, as honestly as I could. But my other point remains: if a blank slate/empty suit with no experience and a charming life story doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, how the heck did we wind up with just that as our current President?

obama is smart? his intelligence is slightly above average. and when a black has a slightly above average intelligence and any extracurriculars, they are almost a lock for any school they apply to.

it's called affirmative action.

now that's not politically correct...but 100% true, and everyone else knows it but is just too afraid to say it.

i will give him this though: he's better with a teleprompter than anyone else is...

someonestolemyname, I dont blame you, I blame your $10 whore of a mother for raising you to be so dumb! You dont have a problem with the sick shit you inbred crackers done to black people for centuries, but you have a problem with affirmative action. 400 years of oppression and in 30 years the playing field is level? Obama didnt get into school because of affirmitive action, but if he did SO WHAT. As much shit you devils did to Black people in the past, that debt will never be paid.

Btw, Affirmitive Action might get you to the door, but it wont get you through the door. You are a f***in asshole to the nth degree.

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someonestolemyname, I dont blame you, I blame your $10 whore of a mother for raising you to be so dumb! You dont have a problem with the sick shit you inbred crackers done to black people for centuries, but you have a problem with affirmative action. 400 years of oppression and in 30 years the playing field is level? Obama didnt get into school because of affirmitive action, but if he did SO WHAT. As much shit you devils did to Black people in the past, that debt will never be paid.

Btw, Affirmitive Action might get you to the door, but it wont get you through the door. You are a f***in asshole to the nth degree.

Wow Al, why so hostile? Can you have a civilized conversation without name calling and cursing?

Drop the slavery and oppression garbage. Blacks were not the only group of people to ever be oppressed and discriminated. And I'll bet you a large some of money that you, your parents, and even your grandparents weren't slaves, so drop the crap with the racial handicapping.

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In before the grammar gestapo!

For all those posters on this issue, the following may be enlightening!

By Dewie Whetsell, Alaskan fisherman, as posted in comments on the MOVEON ad about Sarah Palin:

I've spent the last 45 of my 66 years in a commercial fishing town in Alaska. I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year. Here's the breaking point: Neither side of the Palin controversy gets it. It's not about persona, style, or rhetoric; it's about doing things. Even Palin supporters never mention the things that I'm about to tell you here.

1- Democrats forget when Palin was the Darling of the Democrats, because as soon as Palin took the Governor's office away from a fellow Republican and tough SOB, Frank Murkowski, she tore into the Republican's "Corrupt Bastards Club" (CBC) and sent them packing. Many of them are now residing in State housing and wearing orange jump suits. The Democrats reacted by skipping around the yard, throwing confetti and singing, "la la la la" (well, you know how they are). Name another governor in this country who has ever done anything similar.

2- Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians to protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So she constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil profits called "ACES." Exxon (the biggest corporation in the world) protested so Sarah told them, "Don't let the door hit you in the stern on your way out." They stayed, and Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich. Of course, the other huge international oil companies meekly fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in the country who has done anything similar.

3- Another thing she did when she walked into the governor's office get the list of State requests for federal funding for projects, known as "pork." She went through the list, took 85% of them and placed them in the "when-hell-freezes-over" stack. She let locals know that if we need something built, we'll pay for it ourselves. Maybe she figured she could use the money she got from selling the previous governor's jet because it was extravagant. Maybe she could use the money she saved by dismissing the governor's cook (remarking that she could cook for her own family), giving back the State vehicle issued to her, maintaining that she already had a car, and dismissing her State provided security force (never mentioning - I imagine - that she's packing heat herself). I'm still waiting to hear the names of those other governors.

4- Now, even with her much-ridiculed "gosh and golly" mannerism, she also managed to put together a totally new approach to getting a natural gas pipeline built which will be the biggest private construction project in the history of North America.. No one else could do it although they tried. If that doesn't impress you, then you're trying too hard to be unimpressed while watching her do things like this while baking up a batch of brownies with her other hand.

5- For 30 years, Exxon held a lease to do exploratory drilling at a place called Point Thompson. They made excuses the entire time why they couldn't start drilling. In truth, they were holding it like an investment. No governor for 30 years could make them get started. This summer, she told them she was revoking their lease and kicking them out. They protested and threatened court action. She shrugged and reminded them that she knew the way to the court house. Alaska won again.

6- President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources for electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the Alaska legislature and submitted her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewables by 2025. We are already at 25%. I can give you more specifics about things done, as opposed to style and persona. Everybody wants to be cool, sound cool, look cool. But that's just a cover-up. I'm still waiting to hear from liberals the names of other governors who can match what mine has done in two and a half years. I won't be holding my breath.

By the way, she was content to return to Alaska after the national election and go back to work, but the haters wouldn't let her. Now, these adolescent screechers are obviously not scuba divers. And no one ever told them what happens when you continually jab and pester a barracuda. Without warning, it will spin around and tear your face off. They shoulda known better.

You have just read the truth about Sarah Palin that sends the media, along with the Democratic party, into a wild uncontrolled frenzy to discredit her. I guess they are only interested in skirt chasers, dishonesty, immoral people, liars, womanizers, murderers, and bitter ex-presidents' wives.

So, "You go, Girl." I only wish the men in Washington had your guts, determination, honesty, and morals.

gamecock,

I liked both your original post and your folow-up except for the last sentence in the latter, which implies that Obama is more or less the liberal equivalent of Palin in terms of fitness for the job of president. But the huge difference between the two is that Obama, whether you agree with him or not, has a thorough grasp of both domestic and international issues in all of their complexities. In this regard he is way ahead of where Bush II was upon taking office and miles ahead of where Palin will ever be. His resume was not much stronger than Palin's, but his understanding of the issues and the demands of the job were obviously far stronger.

People made fun of Illinois pretty boy Ronny Reagan when he was prez. No big name ed. No intellect. Hung out and did *accompanied* the movie moguls in West Hollywood before West Hollywood became a famous rendezvous point for boy toys, L.A.P.D. cops, and Navy SEALS. Yet that regular guy Reagan, helped shut down the Soviet Union, the Cold War, and when the Cubans crushed the Mossad and CIA in Siuth Africa he has the foresight to settle for peace with Mandela and Tutu. Ronny Baby is the only prez to voluntarily end a chapter in U.S. genocide and U.S. white imperialism. Ford didn't, in 1975 Vietnam rolled into Saigon at declared miliary victory over the U.S. Army. That's correct, as much as the libs hate Reagan, he's the only prez to peacefully end U.S. war of aggression. So don't count out Palin. She may be a dippy Nazi-Zionst and Jezus-freak, but you never know when people will reach their potential and do greatness for the world.

I don't want to make the thread about Obama. But in my opinion, he has not exactly demonstrated "a thorough grasp of domestic and international issues in all their complexities." Perhaps it is my bias as a conservative (which I freely admit, but try to allow for), but neither the $787 billion stimulus bill nor the handling of health care reform indicate to me a basic understanding of economics, and his handling of both the now-renamed war on terror (including the upcoming trial of KSM in civilian court), along with what I perceive as a major mishandling of our relationships with both allies and adversaries (from the UK, to Israel, to Poland, to Iran, among others) indicate to me that he's not that strong in foreign policy, either. Indeed, were it not for the constant refrain of folks telling me how brilliant he is, I might draw the conclusion that he is the reincarnation of Jimmy Carter. But please, don't get me wrong--if Obama is an empty suit of the left, the solution is not to elect an empty suit of the right. And my intention is not to respond to the "Palin is dumb!" meme with, "Well, so is Obama!" It's just amusing (and sad) that the mainstream narrative on the two is presented so differently. Anyway, didn't mean to take it this direction--I would be interested to read more thoughtful commentary on Palin that doesn't mention how "hot" she is.

You can't be smart and do well at everything.

JFK and LBJ were a geniuses for enacting Civil Rights, yet at the same time they were racist Hitlers that committed mass genocide of 20,000,000 in Southeast Asia.

BHO will save America with Health Ins. BHO has engaged Iran and NK. Yet he ignores the genocides in Darfur, China, Palestine, Zimbabwe, and Russia. BHO finances and approves Israel continuing to enslave 10,000,000 Palestinians. BHO commits mass genocide in Iraq and Afghanistans.

So, that's how people are. You might be good at some things, but a louse at others.