Wariner - dead last in 200m semi heat

ukathleticscoach wrote:

So the double world 400m champion was not suited to that event?

You can be suited to more than one event. I do think that the 600m would be the event where Wariner would most outclass the rest of the world's athletes. That's all.

If Wariner had gone somewhere other than Baylor, he probably would have been moved to the 800 (due to the racial brainwashing in the US and the West in general the last few decades) so he'd either be a hot-shot 800 guy now, more likely a mediocre 800 runner now or some guy who gave up the sport and people would simply go "Remember that guy..." and that would be it."

really?

so the fastest high school 200m runner in the country would be turned into an 800m?

People are forgetting that for many years he was a 200m who could run a great 400m. He can very VERY fast at the 200m if he tried, but intstead he is training for the 400m, in which he has the potential to become the best EVER, as he is already the 3rd best ever. Dont forget this.

It doesn't quite work that way. Guys like Mark Everett routinely lost slow races to guys with much slower 400m times. Speed at the end of races is not the same as speed from a standing start. Endurance plays a much larger role.

V5 wrote:

I think the stronger argument is that if he runs 20.2 in the 200m, but 43.45 in the 400m, he isn't slowly down as much as someone like Merritt (19.9 - 43.75) or Johnson (19.32-43.18). Thus, he must have superior endurance to Merritt and Johnson.

So, perhaps that endurance could translate to an 800m. I have to imagine he could run 51.5 twice, right around 1:43. That still doesn't mean he should give up the 400m, as in a good year he is the best 400m runner in the world, and 1:43 would still put him behind several 800m runners. He would absolutely decimate a slow championship race, though. Can you imagine if the field went out slow for the first 400 of an 800 with Jeremy Wariner in the midst? If they went out in 54, he would CRUSH them.

The great white hope will not let us down.

tshakur wrote:

He can very VERY fast at the 200m if he tried, but intstead he is training for the 400m, in which he has the potential to become the best EVER, as he is already the 3rd best ever. Dont forget this.

And this sums up why he shouldn't, and won't, ever run the 800m seriously. He is the 3rd fastest 400m runner of all time!

Why would he give up being one of the world's best 400m men year in and year out to try a new event in which he has zero experience? A great first year of racing the 800 might bring him to 1:45, in which case he's fantastic but still in jeopardy of not even making finals at WC. Even if he's an optimist and can get down to 1:43 his first year, he's not going to win a medal in his first year, speaking tactically as much as anything (remember, this guy is used to running in lanes or against a couple other teams in a relay). Meanwhile he's just missed out on a year of success at 400m (he seems like he medals almost automatically in the 400) and the hundreds of thousands of dollars that it would bring.

He can very VERY fast at the 200m if he tried,

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Im sure he has "tried." If he could be very very good at 200m he surely would be running them other than for sharpening purposes

Again he will/could never break 20 sec. He's not a pure sprinter. Its the same reason that Bolt will never run faster than 44 for 400m. He'll look great for 320m though.

chimes wrote:

He can very VERY fast at the 200m if he tried,

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Im sure he has "tried." If he could be very very good at 200m he surely would be running them other than for sharpening purposes

Again he will/could never break 20 sec. He's not a pure sprinter. Its the same reason that Bolt will never run faster than 44 for 400m. He'll look great for 320m though.

First off all, I believe he has the ability to break 20, and I'm not sure you don't think he could. He was running faster (or just as fast) as Xavier Carter and Carter was well below 20.

And how is he not a pure sprinter? What does that even mean? Is Merrit not a pure sprinter because he only runs the 400m? or are 100m guys the only pure sprinters?

The entire pure sprinter thing is so dumb.

I believe he can NOT break 20.

Not a pure sprinter = HE excells at an event which has an endurance/aerobic componant. The 100/200 do not have this componant. That is why Wariner is so good at 400m, he is fast but not sub 10/20 but his natural endurance allows him to maitain that speed over 400m.

Again if the 400m is just a matter of speed than the fastes 100m would easily transition to this event. fact is they dont. To prove it, you will not see Bolt break 44.

chimes wrote:

I believe he can NOT break 20.

Not a pure sprinter = HE excells at an event which has an endurance/aerobic componant. The 100/200 do not have this componant. That is why Wariner is so good at 400m, he is fast but not sub 10/20 but his natural endurance allows him to maitain that speed over 400m.

Again if the 400m is just a matter of speed than the fastes 100m would easily transition to this event. fact is they dont. To prove it, you will not see Bolt break 44.

And the 200m does not require endurance? Tell that to Asafa Powell. The fact is that Wariner has natural top end speed that most 400m runners do not have. However, after years of hard work, he was able to develop endurance. Although I do not have much experience and am not even elite for a high schooler, I have run in the 21's and the 47's and am a division 1 sprinter. I have been doing the workouts for years and have seen many elite sprinters. Wariner does have the speed that many people say he doesn't. I believe the only reason people fail to admit to this is because he is white.

Name one good 400m guy that was just as good at 100m and vice versa?

Michael Johnson? No

Danny Everet? No

Quincy Watts? No

200m requires no aerobic componant

etc.. etc... you can not be tops at both beacuse it takes two different talents. Wariner ecelled right away in HS at 400m. Look what his coach said about his muscle endurance. MJ went ran WR 200 and WR 400 so its not that you cant train for both at the same time. Wariner is just not nearly as fast as MJ or many others over 200m.

Please post back here 5 years from now and acknowledge that Wariner never broke 20.

Im sure wariner would love to.

You may find he does break the 500m "WR" record

Your fast, are you white?

Mr Arms wrote:

Wariner never ran hurdles in high school...

He began running track his sophomore year with the 400m, and I never saw him seriously run anything besides the 4x100m, 200m 400m and 4x400m.

Clearly, he could be effective at the 400ih, but he certainly does not "know how to hurdle."

Hurdling isn't rocket science, so he could learn, but I would defy anyone to find an instance where he ran a hurdle race with any kind of seriousness.

I do agree, however, that his potential at 800m isn't what everyone makes it out to be. You don't run sub 1:44 without a huge aptitude for distance running. We have no idea if he has the endurance needed.

In regards to his 200m, it's not anything to worry about. His 200m PR is ~ 20.2 which is plenty fast to be a 400m gold medalist.

I don't much about JW's HS career, but I thought he once said in an iterview that he had run the hurdles before.

chimes wrote:

Name one good 400m guy that was just as good at 100m and vice versa?

Michael Johnson? No

Danny Everet? No

Quincy Watts? No

200m requires no aerobic componant

etc.. etc... you can not be tops at both beacuse it takes two different talents. Wariner ecelled right away in HS at 400m. Look what his coach said about his muscle endurance. MJ went ran WR 200 and WR 400 so its not that you cant train for both at the same time. Wariner is just not nearly as fast as MJ or many others over 200m.

Please post back here 5 years from now and acknowledge that Wariner never broke 20.

Im sure wariner would love to.

You may find he does break the 500m "WR" record

Your fast, are you white?

"Clyde was asked about Johnson’s training before running 19.32sec for 200m and said that this was still the case then. "

This is from an article about 400m training. Basically, Hart is saying that the 400m training was very similiar to the 400m training, which means that he believes that the 200m requires tons of what he calls "condition," or what many distance runners would call aerobic.

Yes, I am white, however I should have not brought up myself, as I am closer to a pedestrian then elite, however I was trying to convey the message that I have some experience with fast runners, be that as just watching them or training with them.