How in the hell did humans reach Hawaii?

Read the book Kon-Tiki. Its about a group of explorers who set sail on a hand made wooden balsa raft. They started in Peru and traveled to the Polynesian Islands (like 4000mi). Im pretty they could have made it to Hawaii.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki

Maybe it's that I'm hungover, but I hate all of you.

duck in the chicken wrote:

His first error (and yours, too) was his failure to recognize a joke.

ha. you're a dumbass.

this trolling shit is too easy.

The Last Navigator, yes, an excellent book and astounding—navigate by the smell and taste of the water. There is so much of the world we don't see in our technology. This book is a revelation.

I would say there is no such thing as "primitive" in the sense of "dumb" but only with the same intelligence without technology. People use their brains to the maximum to survive and compete regardless of when in the last 100,000 years they lived.

Tom

Wendell Gee wrote:

proof that evolution is a lie wrote:

You're telling me that a bunch of primitive polynesians just set out in a little bamboo paddleboat, travelled thousands of miles across the pacific ocian, and just magically discovered the islands?

Well, it is not as easy to believe as an invisible man in the sky with an incomprehensibly large universe to look after who carefully places groups of people on islands throughout the world.

Although I believe God may have created mankind through evolution, I'm tired of (mostly internet-based) statements like yours that set up some caricature-of-a-Christian strawman. By the way, making fun of someone for believing that God created the universe isn't that sophisticated if your alternative is "well, it just is" or "I just don't know." Finally, I think the original poster is a troll.

SlowFatMaster wrote:

Check out the book "The Last Navigator"by Stephen Thomas. It has been awhile since I read the book.

The author studies and sails with these Polynesion navigator guys. No radar, no GPS, no sextants, just watching the waves and the stars and memorizing lots of facts about what kinds of birds, fish, whales, dolphins, etc. appear as you get closer to land.

This stuff is far from primitive, and unfortunately is becoming a lost art, because the old guys who know this stuff are dying and the young people are no into it.

Skills they developed as they moved through the various islands en route from Taiwan.

For anyone reading this thread looking for actual info:

- Humans did not evolve from stuff in Hawaii.

- Hawaii did not break off from anywhere causing divergent evolution. The islands are volcanic.

- The main theory (as stated above), shwos that polynesians slowly made their way, populating island after island by sea exploration. Sure, a lot of them probably got f***ed royally by the unpredictibility that is the ocean, but they had the skills (mostly reading wave patterns far away which indicated the presence of a landmass, along with star nav etc.) to find their way. Thus they came to colonize many pacific islands.

ahh the island hopping theory. The theory is that the polynesians island hopped from island to island until they reached S. America and spread to the Americas. This explains the advanced civilizations in Peru, and Mexico. Aliens might be involved with that too as the math of the Mayan people is far superior than what we know of today.

By the way, Hawaii is on what we call a hotspot on Earth. As plate tectonics move the hotspot creates a new island. This is why the islands get smaller the farther west you go. The hot spot created a seamount which turned into an island, which turned into an atoll, and back to a seamount again. This will be a continious cycle for as long as the earth exists. Two kinds of hotspots on earth, one is explosive and one is a slow constant like that of the big island of Hawaii. explosive hot spots will change the face of the earth when it explodes. (Ex. Yellowstone)

Nobody thinks that the Americas were populated by island hopping.

"theory"

A relatively new one and an alternative to the land bridge theory.

There's an article in the December National Geographic

Adventure. The title is, "The Wayfinders: Across the Pacific Without A Compass" by Wade Davis. Also a short piece about a Brazilian surfer girl who rode a 45 foot wave.

Everybody knows they descended from the aliens who built the pyramids. Read it on wikipedia, but I can't find the link.

proof that evolution is a lie wrote:

You're telling me that a bunch of primitive polynesians just set out in a little bamboo paddleboat, travelled thousands of miles across the pacific ocian, and just magically discovered the islands?

So you're saying there are no people in Hawaii? It's all an illusion just like fossils and DNA and tectonic plates?

Well, I guess you know better. You religious types always know better.

SlowFatMaster wrote:

Check out the book "The Last Navigator"by Stephen Thomas. It has been awhile since I read the book.

Please tell us you didn't just recommend a book to some guy posting as "proof that evolution is a lie". Isn't that a bit like recommending XC spikes to Stephen Hawking?

Sounds interesting..... wrote:

"theory"

A relatively new one and an alternative to the land bridge theory.

All the evidence seems to point toward the land bridge. Sorry. The Hawaiian Islands and South America were probably settled by completely different groups of people.

all over polynesia, the kids are taught stories that contain within them all the information necessary to sail to freaking hawaii, etc., all handed down from their distance ancestors, as well as navigational knowledge. the people's history of science goes into it. The notion that non Europeans were "primitives" is pretty funny, given that those "primitives" developed incredibly sophisticated navigational systems, domesticated all of the present day major crops, invented most of the world's languages, and on and on.

Because time is not linear, time is increasing on a parabolic curve. Animals that have evolved in my lifetime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZabf3u89s