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True. But they don't seem to get off permanently (unless they are a child, Aaron and Walt). And when they are off, they are constantly tormented by the island, and ultimately return.

In the "what would happen" scene, the alternate airplane, they are also in trouble but in subtler ways. The island is still reaching out.

I don't know. Haha.

Can we throw in a little Slaughterhouse Five parallel here? Time is not a line, time is a circle. Everything that happens, has always happened, and will always happen. The characters are not torn between two universes (the island and the non-crashing plane); they are alive in two different periods of time (as Billy Pilgrim frequently time-traveled). The only thing that alters this "destiny" is the human ability of free will.

Take for example Julliet. She always fell in that hole with the hydrogen bomb. She always fell in there and always died. However this time, her free will instructs her differently; her free will chooses to smash the bomb and blow up the island. Why is this time different? Because this time (1974), Sawyer has joined her (from a previous decision made by his free will). Sawyer and her fell in love, they shared an amazing bond; she knew that her and Sawyer both believed in the same thing (as told by Jack that they needed to erupt the H-bomb) and when she was down there, she took the initiative to make that happen! For her, for Sawyer.

As for Jacob and Esua, I feel like they are merely spirits that body jump to remain within a physical entity. The bodies that we see Jacob and Esua possessing in (with the beards and robes) aren't their birth bodies. Rather, these are the last bodies that the spirits were able to jump into.

but Jacob was killed?

Here's how i see it. The smoke monster only appears after Jon Locke turns the corner in the foot statue. Before that richard is still outside with the coffin and the lead girl that came on the new plane to Guam, notice she did not get killed by the smoke monster inside Now, the water was dirty in the temple, but only after Jacob died. His soul represents the filter of this water. When the Japanese guy cuts his own hand and dips it into the water Jacob's soul is no longer available to heal his hand up, which is what the guy expected.

They actually tried to kill Sayid in that water by baptizing him, which they did. Nobody expected him to come back to life, he is now inhabited by Vincent (Jacob). I bet you next show that the water inside the temple is clean.

Remember, that the new "alternate reality" is actually 3 years behind island time. Day 1 on the island is really the day that they land at LAX. Notice that Desmond was on the plane, but not Boone's sister.

what does your last staement about Desmond and Claire signify, I m no expert and I don't even remember when Desmond came into play

notworthit wrote:

what does your last staement about Desmond and Claire signify, I m no expert and I don't even remember when Desmond came into play

It's how in the bomb affected the day the plane was supposed to crash. In the pilot episode, we did not see Desmond on the plane at all. But in the premire of Season 6, it shows him being on the plane once the bomb exploded.

There are other differences between the pilot episode and last Tuesday's episode as well. Wasn't Jack the one who was trying to calm down the woman across the aisle in the pilot, while last Tuesday, it was vice versa? And didn't Hurley originally considered himself cursed in the pilot, vs being the luckiest guy in the world on Tuesday?

da facts mein! wrote:

Time is not a line, time is a circle. Everything that happens, has always happened, and will always happen. The characters are not torn between two universes (the island and the non-crashing plane); they are alive in two different periods of time (as Billy Pilgrim frequently time-traveled). The only thing that alters this "destiny" is the human ability of free will.

I think this is a good reference point, they start at least two seasons I know of (2 and 5) with a close up of a record playing. When it comes to lost symbology (or well placed props) always have some sort of say.

There are also many episodes throughout the seasons (almost all of the episodes in season 1) that start with a close-up of someone's eye.

This is just something fun to think about, but there was a picture of a dog in Jacob's cabin. Do you think he ever inhabited Vincent's body (perhaps from the very beginning when Vincent was lost) in order to get closer to the survivors? Or was he in Christian the whole time?

Also, if Jacob is sort of a "god" of the island and he was inhabiting Christian's body, the name "Christian Shephard" has some heavy-handed religious context, huh?

notworthit wrote:

what does your last staement about Desmond and Claire signify, I m no expert and I don't even remember when Desmond came into play

Desmond signifies a dagger in the space time continuum. He can change things. Nobody else can. So him being on the plane, but not seeing Walt or Vincent, means that Jacob must be inhabiting one of their bodies! I hate the old John Locke in the alternate reality LAX, i think Boone will kill him sometime this season. Boone will be the new man in black in the real world.

Just like back to the future there are is now a parallel existence, we just didn't see the people fading from the pictures.

IT Dude wrote:

Remember, that the new "alternate reality" is actually 3 years behind island time.

Do you think its possible that the "alternate realities" will sinc up again. Somehow all the people on the island right now will have to have arrived on the island in the same positions they are in now at some point in the 3 years after their successfull flight back to LAX thus not making them alternate realities at all in the future. The only difference could be that people seem to dream of a different way that they arrived on the island. As far as the time line goes its possible.

I have been pitching 'vincent is jacob' for a while to my friends. It started out as a joke, but now it looks somewhat believable.

I didn't start watching Lost until halfway through season 2. Until now, that hasn't been much of a problem. What do you guys think... should i go back and watch season 1?

Probably not too important in terms of the bigger mysteries now, but I feel as if some character things are going to come back this season that you might not get. More thematic than anything...

Here's another thing... Does anyone remember the Adam and Eve inside the cave? Jack and Kate? Sawyer and Kate? Someone else entirely? Looks for my "everyone dies" theory.

Jacob being Vincent is fun to think about. But you have to remember that Rose and Bernard built the cabin back in 1974 and also took care of Vincent after Walt and Michael left which would more likely explain the painting of Vincent in the cabin.

Rose and Bernard built the cabin? I thought Horace did... remember when Locke met him chopping wood in the jungle? Wasn't that what he was building? Maybe Rose and Bernard just occupied it for a little while. I don't know, though.

But in order for Jacob to be Vincent, Vincent would have to be dead right? we didn't see the body of any lab ever. Moreover, there is something mysterious about Vincent and the boy because the boy who owns him seems to know things others don't and the dog is the first one there anytime anytime something really bad or strange happens. Makes me think the man in black might be Vincent.

Do you think its possible that the "alternate realities" will sinc up again.

Yes. That I think is certain because of this.

Didn't Adam and Eve also have a bag of black and white stones on them?