Unload your Title IX frustration here

No Way wrote:

Oh come on, women aren't seriously discriminated against in the USA anymore.

STFU, dumbass.

who wants to take bets that "No Way" is a white male?

r.t.i. wrote:

AND it doesn't make a cent for any university. Or even any high school, for that matter. Maybe we should just be grateful for what we do get?

You assume any NCAA sports make money; even most f'ball teams lose money. So unless you're talking about the top 30 BSC teams, the "making money" point is totally moot.

Also when people are pointing out a real problem with our sport to just dismiss it as "whining" is disingenuous at best. The fact that men's XC teams and track teams lose funding every year is a problem that anyone that cares about the sport should be concerned.

I'm constantly amazed at the LRers that are so full of self hate. Cheer against US runners (or tear down the few decent runners we have), clap and applauded as men's teams are gutted, etc... Have some d@mn self respect for a change.

dii ncaa coach wrote:

We have 100k left for women's scholarships this year but have to spread it out over 8 women. Need 4 walk-ons and 4 full ride gals...can't get the walk-on types i.e. 5'0 hj, 16.5 hh, 63 400 as they are all offered at local mid major state schools. Have offered numerous women full-tuition and can't get them as well.

Men's side- we've been tapped out since May 1 and have 49. 400, 14.6 hh, 6'6 hj waiting in line for maybe 500 bucks in books. The line is 20 deep.

The interest just isn't the same.

Then why do you continue to use a male model of sports to distribute your scholarship money?

If you think the activity interest is different for females, which it might be - then find what activities THEY prefer and distribute your funds towards those activities.

Your mistake is thinking that females want to do or play identical or comparable sports to males.

We continue to shepherd females into a male model of activities then bitch and complain that they aren't comparable with skills.

I'd like to see respectful answers to this.

the best shorts ever wrote:

As long as we're unloading ...

I got the privilege of being discriminated against in college and now get the privilege of having the beneficiaries of this discrimination (or people who never faced it) describe to me on letsrun how good Title IX is for America.

When I read a response like this I thank my lucky stars!

And by the way WOMEN AND MEN ARE NOT THE SAME AND NEVER WILL BE.

Boy, I'd love to know what a fantastic athlete you are, what state championship titles you won or how you were just the golden child of sports in your high school before sadly, you were turned away at the hands of Title IX.

YOU SHOULD WRITE A BOOK.

I'll bet there is all sorts of angles to that story. Possibly a 1.5 grade point average kept you out, or perhaps...you just weren't really all that great. All sorts of minimal male athletes seek and find scholarships at schools - maybe it isn't U of M or Stanford, but there are a lot of universities in the U.S. pal, I'm sure if you truly had any skill and gumption - you would have found one.

maybe you should examine your sad story and tell the truth to yourself and others.

16x wrote:

Then why do you continue to use a male model of sports to distribute your scholarship money?

If you think the activity interest is different for females, which it might be - then find what activities THEY prefer and distribute your funds towards those activities.

Your mistake is thinking that females want to do or play identical or comparable sports to males.

We continue to shepherd females into a male model of activities then bitch and complain that they aren't comparable with skills.

I'd like to see respectful answers to this.

This is an interesting response--I'd like to see a broader measure of participation in all extracurriculars instead of just in sports. Pretty sure there are many activities that are female dominated. I would bet, for example, that many more collge women than men participate in Choral activities. There is no discrimination, it is self-selected--just as some are saying the higher male interest in sports is self-selected. Unfortunately I don't think the Justice department guidelines would allow for this more expansive look at this time.

Two things (they go together) I'd like to see changed or looked at in enforcement--

1. Money distribution--I think if there are proportional numbers of scholarships that is a factor in deciding title IX compliance rather than number of participants.

2. More chance of open participation, I think it is a shame that schools limit roster sizes for guys for Title IX compliance reasons. Coaches can limit them for competitive reasons if they want but I think it is a shame that there are guys who would not be costing the school anything (or a very small marginal cost) that are not allowed to compete. JMUs men's team, for example, was already non-scholarship.

Geez already with the male model crap.

Yeah we get it. You took some entry level Womens Studies group and your pissed off prof who hasn't gotten laid by a man since Michael Jackson was black was telling you how MEN have made the model for athletics. GUESS WHAT, THEY MADE THE MODEL FOR THE REST OF SOCIETY AS WELL.

The model is what it is, and what activities do you suggest to add since your so quick to bash anyone who has an opinion, something that liberal prof teacher of yours should have taught you that while you can disagree with it you should respect it.

So tell me what ACTIVITIES? We didnt make girls take up football or wrestling.

P.S. I've never heard a girl say that they don't like the sport they are in they are just doing it for the scholarship. The only thing girls who don't participate in sports say for an excuse as to why not, "I can't practice at 2, I have to go tanning."

comicbookguy wrote:

You assume any NCAA sports make money; even most f'ball teams lose money. So unless you're talking about the top 30 BSC teams, the "making money" point is totally moot.

So then is fan popularity is a better measure. At almost any D1 university, the women's volleyball team draws more fans (paying or not) over the course of their season than the xc or track teams do. Same for women's soccer. Just because YOU care about distance running doesn't mean that it matters to anyone at your college or in your community.

I'm constantly amazed at the LRers that are so full of self hate. Cheer against US runners (or tear down the few decent runners we have), clap and applauded as men's teams are gutted, etc... Have some d@mn self respect for a change.

I'm NOT amazed at all that the likes of you not only has zero constructive input but would spend your time and energy looking to kill the messengers who want to move towards constructive solutions. Your so-called self-respect is worth less than the crap I'm about to deposit into the toilet.

16X why so much anger...why do we want to bash people for their opinion.

The bottom line is track and field is a sport that should not be cut.

Let me add one more to the list I posted before.

Track and field and cross country $ for $; athelte for athelte; is one of the least expensive sport to offer.

Why many of us complain about track and field being cut –

1. Track & Field is the oldest sport known to mankind.

2. It is the most popular sport in the World as there are

more countries participating in track and field in the

Olympics than any other Olympic sport.

3. Track and Field has one of the largest number of

minorities participating making it one of the most

diverse athletic programs a school can sponsor.

4. According to the National Federation of State High

School Associations, Boy's Track and Field has the

second most schools offering the sport with 15,497

high schools sponsoring a team. It ranks third in

participation with 533,985 student- athletes.

***So I think if you consider the above Track and Field SHOULD NOT be cut at any school.

But then again… Until distance runners unite and speak out and get donors to hold back money to universities, write letter to universities presidents and trustees, get the public involved and make race an issue (as track and field is one of the most diverse programs) this will happen again and again...

16x FTW

I haven't heard ONE person give any solution. There really is none other than to raise money like crazy and try to become self funded.

And again, why all the hate towards me? I never said women shouldn't be in sports, that women are to blame for anything.. I want to see Men's XC, Men's track, wrestling, diving, swimming, all succeed and continue to have a large role in collegiate athletics.

What I don't want to see is men's programs reduced to f'ball, baseball, basketball, and that's it. Why that hate?

Again, it seems like some people on here enjoy seeing programs cut.. personally as a long time fan of the sport, I don't see that as a good thing.. Maybe you do.

Then you just don't know what the fuck you're looking at, so since you just want to be ignorant then STFU.

I appreciate yours and need support comments..

Why the bashing of others who support men's track and field and cross country??

nice comments wrote:

I appreciate yours and need support comments..

Why the bashing of others who support men's track and field and cross country??

I'm puzzled that there are people on here openly cheering for the gutting of Men's XC programs. I don't get it.

I'm puzzled which drug or combination of drugs you must be on to see "openly cheering" on either side.

very cute response you have there, i have idea how that guy got discriminated but let me tell u all a story,

i ran for quinnipiac for three years until they cut the program this month, i worked my way as a student athlete and was rewarded with scholarships after a few seasons, this is after achieving academic all american for 3 years straight, deans list (3.5 gpa) and numerous D1 community service rituals.

We ran at states my senior year at high school and i came in as a freshman who was told that i would have to try out for the squad because they have a roster cap of 20 men.....for a track team...tell me what squad you ever heard of had 2o men. Once i passed the time trial, a red-shirt sophmore was cut to make place for me, i cant tell u how awkward my first few weeks were, the team knew what happened and i earned my respect through the grueling workouts and by junior year i was an integral part of a championship relay, i felt that i meant something to the team, to my college, and i finally felt that burst of excitement i used to get when getting ready for penn relays or states way back in high school.

The girls team, we love them to death, and they know that the roster numbers are in favor of their gender, they are allowed 30-4o% more on their team, they want to help us but they dont understand what it feels like, to always have that thought in the back of you head that "maybe my opportunity will not be there tommorow."

I found out during my orientation leader training that my passion of life was axed, ten years of running with a team, maturing to a man with my team and crossing the line sweaty and riddled in pain with my team was swiftly taken away without notice in the sake of the ACLU and title 9, tell me how they can take away the team with the highest gpa on campus, the most championships out of any other sport, and the cheapest to fund by far (600$ per athletex20...u tell me how much they are saving)

I AM A WELL DESERVING, WELL STRUCTURED AND WELL VERSED MAN,(sry for the caps)My is not large, (only on race days) and track has helped me use my energy in a positive way, rather than drinking my way out of school

16x, u make a good point, male athletes SHOULDNT expect scholly's, they should earn them, but on the womens part, i feel that the current model dishes out the money to athletes not so dedicated just to fill a quota...they should earn them too, they will be better off mentally that way anyway.

im lucky i dealt with this BS now and not later in life, i will keep running, where there is a will there is a way, but when i think back about how quinnipaic decided to get rid of there "excess" because womens vball seemed to get what they want, the thoughts wont be about how title 9 does the right thing.......

sry for the tiny endowment

im pretty sure the kid ment to say "ego" you sick fool