Ryan Hall coming into good shape

Ryan ran great on the hills of central park at the trials.

First time running there. He will win.

Pretty sure Cosmos Ndeti ran well in his debut...

yes hall has to race 3 cheruiyiots with excellent credentials.

there is also another robert cheruiyiot who has run 2:08 who is not running boston.

douglas burke wrote:

Help... wrote:

Gentleman, I haven't had time to look at the entries that could be Ryan's competition. Could anyone comment on who are the big boys in the race that Ryan will have to deal with? Thanks, I'll check back. I hope he wins it also!

robert cheruiyiot the 4 time boston maraton champ and course record holder 2:07:14.

a different marathoner named robert cheruiyiot who is age 22 who ran 2:07:21 to win a marathon in germany a few months ago in his first race outside of kenya.

evans cheruiyiot consistent sub 1 hour half marathoner has won both of his full marathons including chicago in the heat in 2:06:25.

abebe dinkesa who will be running his first marathon who has run 26:30 for 10k on the track.

actually the 2:07:21 robert cheruiyiot is age 20 not 22,

the 4 time champ robert cheruiyiot is 30 years old

the 2:08:13 robert cheruiyiot who is not running boston is 34.

Goodtraining wrote:

What would be the way to train? And what would be good times?

I am surprised at how none of you have noticed WHAT I was criticizing, but then again usually people just read the post and not what it is commenting on, but in this case the post was clear.

The OP said that he ran a first mile in 4:18, then through 5k in sub-14:00.

That means 4:18, 4:35, 4:35, then avg 4:56.

That was what I was commenting on. If you guys think you should start a run at :30 per mile faster and then slow to slower-than-marathon pace that is fine. Most people don't.

Maybe it is a downhill start Tempo run ... I don't know?

I think the point was that he was trying to simulate Boston in starting downhill and fast, blowing his legs out, and THEN settling into presumed marathon pace with hills -- the same manner in which Boston should essentially unfold. He wasn't running a tempo run or trying to even or negative split, just trying to run a "mini-Boston." At least that's how I read it. He may have gotten a little carried away on the first mile, he may have deliberately tried to get into oxygen debt quickly, or it may have been a sharp drop. Not enough info.

i thought it was a little odd when Hall said after visiting the boston a few weeks ago, that they(he and mahon) realized he hadn't done any training for that type of course.

errrrrr. what??? they didn't know what the f***ing boton marathon course was like, and weren't preparing for it??

nice job coach.

adihero wrote:

i thought it was a little odd when Hall said after visiting the boston a few weeks ago, that they(he and mahon) realized he hadn't done any training for that type of course.

errrrrr. what??? they didn't know what the f***ing boton marathon course was like, and weren't preparing for it??

nice job coach.

I have no idea if Hall actually said that ( I did not read the quote), but......if he did....

you gotta cut them slack, I mean, Boston is not a very well known marathon, and hardly anyone knows anything about the course, right?? ;-)

Everyone and their Mom can run a good 13-16 miles at Boston. Simulating the first 8 miles isn't going to do much good. To do well at Boston you need to be able to run hard downhills late in the race, after getting over the Newton hills (and maybe after some fast early downhill miles as well). It's something you can really only work on during long runs. To win, Ryan will have to run those downhills very fast in the field they have this year. I'm betting it will be quick race this year. I was surprised to hear that he only recently came to visit to run the course.

Really Really Really,. wrote:

armchair quarterbackz wrote:

"38:08 is 4:46/mile. Why is this being made such a big-deal? For a 13:16 5ker, sub-hour half-thoner, and 2:06 marathoner? This sounds like typical threshold training, given the credentials/ability."

-you realize that this workout was at altitude, right?

4500 feet to be exact, and the area he runs. we have no idea if the first 5k was flat and then he started to hit some up hills. and he raised even more altitude.

The reason that gives us that hint is because josh quoted ryan as saying, i want to bang my legs up a little before boston. so im sure ryan picked a route that ended up having some massive hills. where as josh already said there were several 300 m hills...where ryan surged...

I do realize the altitude and understand its implications. But I stand by my statement: Ryan has lived and trained at altitude for almost his entire life, running sub-4 miles, AR half, American born record full marathon, and has done similar work in the past at altitude. I think it was a great run for him, but not the single indicator that he's ready to face the world. Unless, that was in the middle or end of a 20 mile run without taper.

For me, who was born at and have lived at sea level my entire life, that would be absolutely incredible. Especially, since I probably couldn't run 10 miles under an hour right now. But for Hall and most importantly his credentials/resume, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it really is typical threshold training for a 2:06 guy (even at 4500 ft altitude). Keep in mind, these are the kinds of runs the Kenyans/Ethiopians do CONSISTENTLY when prepping for big time races. Which is why they are either ridiculous sharp/strong or cooked by the time they get closer to race day. And oh yeah...Iten, Eldoret, Ngong Hills, Nairobi, Addis, and the Ethio training camp is AT LEAST 3-6 thousand more feet higher altitude than Ryan's 4500 ft run.

That said, I've always been and always will be a huge Ryan Hall fan. I hope he shocks the world and beat everyone in that field. Being that he's only seen the Boston course recently and only once or twice, that would be all the more impressive. Boston is not London, Rotterdam, or Berlin. The more you run it and become comfortable with it unique downhills and sudden hills, transitioning easily from one segment of the course to the next, the more of an advantage he'd have. Robert C has that advantage. However, this is one sickly talented field, so anything can happen.

*As a side note, I think one of the most impressive Ryan Hall workouts I've heard about/seen video of was the one in which he ran 10 miles at just under 6 minute mile pace and followed that with 10 miles at right around 5 minute mile pace around a lake near his home. At the time, that run was the indicator that he was ready to rock!*

It could be that he was planning on going out hard the first mile of a race and he was getting ready to at least be able to do that. In a lot of races, even marathons, the Africans go out very hard and then back off later on.

It would seem illogical to do a tempo with such erratic paces, so it leads me to believe there was a purpose in it if he actually did it. Hall and his coach don't seem to arbitrarily do things. His training always seems to have a very specific purpose.

piedmontcat wrote:

38:08 is 4:46/mile. Why is this being made such a big-deal? For a 13:16 5ker, sub-hour half-thoner, and 2:06 marathoner? This sounds like typical threshold training, given the credentials/ability.

really? have none of you ever run at altitude?

First off, Cox hypes everything. He's like the Don King of running.

Second, as many posters have mentioned, there's not enough information to really "judge" the workout. I would give Hall and Mahon the benefit of the doubt.

Hall either needs RC to have an off day or he needs to be straight up in better shape. He isn't going to out fox a guy who has won the race 4 times and knows the course so well. Otherwise Ryan could come through the half in 1:01 and RC would just hang back and turn on the jets once he hit the hills.

lohalloran wrote:

Hall either needs RC to have an off day or he needs to be straight up in better shape.

So he needs to be better than Rob or Rob needs to do not do his best? Are you sure? Are you sure you didn't leave out any possible scenario?

And I don't give a shit if I spelled that right, but have u seen Hall's new video with clips from the passion spliced into his training run video, Jesus Christ man get over yourself. Talk about the most retarded concept ever for a training video.

Can somebody link the video tha Cox made about Hall?

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Apparently, the full video isn't up yet. There is a sneak peak of it in this video of Hall doing some push ups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1DFTmPG_mA&feature=channel_page