this thread is DEFINATELY getting REDICULOUS
this thread is DEFINATELY getting REDICULOUS
Matey wrote:
Their, their, funkster. They're is always someone who thinks there clever, and than they use someone elses line, and claim its there own. You're comment was suggested all ready, and you think you're post is supposed to be funny and original. Its not funny, its not original, and it shows that your a lonely person whom never had friends.
Thank you. That was very well done.
There is a serious problem with American distance running if there is this much jealousy, hate, and ignorance toward an AMERICAN RECORD HOLDER.
Distance running in the US will never be what it used to be if the running community itself doesn't even support the best athletes in America.
Sure, Galen has advantages over some other athletes. But no one on this thread can possibly tell me that they wouldn't take advantage of the same opportunities that Galen took advantage of if they had that option.
So, stop being so arrogant and ignorant. Open your eyes. We need to support the best runners in the US, not continually criticize them. Whether he has a squeaky voice, or an underwater treadmill, he still works hard and does his best to represent the US on the world-wide scene. So shut up and support him as he becomes on of the best US distance runners ever.
Wow, 3:57 a school record at Oregon? He'd be #11 at Arkansas.
school record? wrote:
Wow, 3:57 a school record at Oregon? He'd be #11 at Arkansas.
Take out the foreigners and show me the revised list.
The question you might ask yourself is:
Where would he be on the Arkansas 5K list???
How about their 10K list???
How does arkansas CURRENTLY stack against oregons "milers"?
Wheating - 3:38 (outdoor), 3:58
Rupp - 3:57
Centro - 3:57
Acosta - 3:58
Only one of those guys is even a "miler" right now.
school record? wrote:
Wow, 3:57 a school record at Oregon? He'd be #11 at Arkansas.
Oregon hasn't really bothered with indoor track until the last couple of years. Oregon's outdoor record for the mile is 3:53 (Cruz) so it's not as if they haven't had plenty of fast guys... they just never ran indoors much.
Razorbackimport wrote:
school record? wrote:Wow, 3:57 a school record at Oregon? He'd be #11 at Arkansas.
Take out the foreigners and show me the revised list.
It doesn't f***ing matter if there are foreigners on the list. Don't be so f***ing xenophobic.
arete5000 wrote:
What a petty little weasel you are. Projecting your hom-erotic fantasies onto others. You really should kill yourself. There are people who do great things and there are cockroaches that undermine and destroy. Truly, you are a loathsome beast.
You sound like you're about ready to cry. Nothing quite like a needy and emotional response to a non-existent perceived threat.
What exactly does airing an opinion on letsrun do to contribute to undermining and/or destroying a high profile celeb-runner like rupp?
The more the fanoys dote on their fairy princess hero rupp, the more of a target they make of themselves and their speedy hero.
American distance running needs two things:
1. More badass, hardcore competitors.
2. Less whiny, thin skinned codependent fanboys.
nonstoprunner wrote:
Razorbackimport wrote:Take out the foreigners and show me the revised list.
It doesn't f***ing matter if there are foreigners on the list. Don't be so f***ing xenophobic.
It doesn't huh? Have you ever imagined that the running system outside the US might operate a little differently?
Many developed countries have very sophisticated club systems. The result is faster times at younger ages. So bringing in a 3:41 guy and "making" him a sub 4 mile isn't quite the same thing as taking 4:01 or 4:05 guys and bringing them down to 3:57 or better.
a fair perspective wrote:
You have to remember, at the higher level of talent in distance running you will generally find normal people who chose a sport due to being good at it. They are capable of normal everyday life, even more than capable and tend to be pretty good people who fell into running because they had talent.
Below that you get people who are into running for all sorts of reasons. Among those are the portion that are just awkward and insecure. They are the ones that carryout the stereotype of runners being uncoordinated physically and socially. Couldn't fit into the team environment (or lacked the physical ability) of most sports but found that they could quietly join the cross country team without a lot demanded from them. So this becomes part of their life/identity.
Throw in an anonymous message board and you have the perfect storm for these individuals. Something from which they have some experience, and they can sit in bedroom corners or basements and make snide, slanderous remarks about the people that in all actuality are probably better them in nearly every possible way. So the cycle continues and all the while they fill up a false sense of importance, significance, purpose.
This was a very good post.
Razorbackimport wrote:
It doesn't huh? Have you ever imagined that the running system outside the US might operate a little differently?
Many developed countries have very sophisticated club systems. The result is faster times at younger ages. So bringing in a 3:41 guy and "making" him a sub 4 mile isn't quite the same thing as taking 4:01 or 4:05 guys and bringing them down to 3:57 or better.
You don't understand and are missing even your own point. If you put this spin on it, then it doesn't even help your original argument. Try to be certain with your arguments.
It does not matter how other countries develop their distance runners. All that it comes down to is that the athletes are at the school and they ran those certain times. The mark of many of the top level colleges are based almost solely on international recruiting, so you saying 'take out the foreigners' holds almost no weight at all. It doesn't matter.
Also, you're very ignorant if you think that your example of bringing in 3:41 guys and making them sub 4 guys holds any weight, either.
It comes down to the athletes being at the school.
Thank you for highlighting yet another important issue in the problematic mindset of American distance runners. The kind of statements like 'take out the foreigners,' is a HUGE problem. We can't 'take out the foreigners.' - They are here, and they are kicking our ass. The mindset that thinks "it's okay that he beat me, he's Kenyan," is ridiculous. We as a country needs to start RUNNING WITH the the foreign runners - and not just in the literal sense. If we ever want world prominence in distance running, things like this needs to change.
So, stop trying to rationalize America performances by saying "well they are foreign," - it's a limiting and ignorant thought process.
You went a few different directions there, and you might not even know what the origins of my argument were.
Saying that the ducks indoor mile record list is not impressive when compared to Arkansas needs to be put into perspective.
1st - The ducks have only VERY recently had any remotely serious approach to indoors.
2nd - The ducks still don't have an indoor track. This might be helpful for training in comparison to the 38 degree rain in Jan.-Feb.
3rd - (This is the point we are discussing) If you take the top 10 junior east african milers and put them at arkansas and obliterate the mile list, it will NOT be impressive. That's not development, it's just a congregation of already great athletes. So a college who takes Americans and turns them into sub 4 milers to me is more IMPRESSIVE than a college who lands a bunch of already sub-4 foreigners.
You catching that drift?
If I've lost you let me re-cap.
A) I'm not against foreign runners in the NCAA, they are great for competition and great people.
B) I'm NOT impressed by a list of already great foreigners marks in comparison to a list of homegrown and developed athletes.
Razorbackimport wrote:
B) I'm NOT impressed by a list of already great foreigners marks in comparison to a list of homegrown and developed athletes.
There it is.
Arkansas top indoor top 101. Niall O’Shaughnessy 3:55.40 1977 2. Graham Hood 3:55.72 1995 3. Doug Consiglio 3:55.91 1986 4. Paul Donovan 3:56.39 1986 5. Joe Falcon 3:56.77 1987 6. Said Ahmed 3:57.04 2005 7. Reuben Reina 3:57.08 1991 8. Seneca Lassiter 3:57.22 1999 9. Dorian Ulrey 3:57.60 2009 10. Dirk Heinze 3:57.95 2002 Falcon, Reina, Lassiter, Ulrey were definitely all 4:05-4:10+ american dudes that got much faster than their contemporaries when they trained there. I think the candians have a similar high school (age wise) to the US so they probably should count also. I don't know anything about the Irish system.But yeah Arkansas focused a lot of energy on winning indoors. They also focused on winning XC and outdoors also.
Razorbackimport wrote:
You went a few different directions there, and you might not even know what the origins of my argument were.
Saying that the ducks indoor mile record list is not impressive when compared to Arkansas needs to be put into perspective.
1st - The ducks have only VERY recently had any remotely serious approach to indoors.
2nd - The ducks still don't have an indoor track. This might be helpful for training in comparison to the 38 degree rain in Jan.-Feb.
3rd - (This is the point we are discussing) If you take the top 10 junior east african milers and put them at arkansas and obliterate the mile list, it will NOT be impressive. That's not development, it's just a congregation of already great athletes. So a college who takes Americans and turns them into sub 4 milers to me is more IMPRESSIVE than a college who lands a bunch of already sub-4 foreigners.
You catching that drift?
If I've lost you let me re-cap.
A) I'm not against foreign runners in the NCAA, they are great for competition and great people.
B) I'm NOT impressed by a list of already great foreigners marks in comparison to a list of homegrown and developed athletes.
Be interesting to see what the ducks list looks like after just 10 more years or serious indoor racing. As of now they have Centro and Rupp just behind one of Arkansas best milers ever (Lassiter).
Wouldn't be surprised if they can beat this list with Americans over the next 10 years.
I remember watching Joe Falcon run at Hayward Field- he was one impressive runner!
You know this isn't a zero sum game. Arkansas has had some great Indoor mile runners, and now Oregon is entering the mix in a more serious way. Hats off to both programs!
I doubt it just because that list is crazy deep. Rupp and Centro give you 2 guys. You then need to get almost 1 new guy a year. That is tough. But maybe college miling is about to step up where you need to run sub 3:57 indoors to be a threat to win the NCAA
Indoor season wrote:
Be interesting to see what the ducks list looks like after just 10 more years or serious indoor racing. As of now they have Centro and Rupp just behind one of Arkansas best milers ever (Lassiter).
Wouldn't be surprised if they can beat this list with Americans over the next 10 years.
So a college who takes Americans and turns them into sub 4 milers to me is more IMPRESSIVE than a college who lands a bunch of already sub-4 foreigners.
You catching that drift?
If I've lost you let me re-cap.
A) I'm not against foreign runners in the NCAA, they are great for competition and great people.
B) I'm NOT impressed by a list of already great foreigners marks in comparison to a list of homegrown and developed athletes.[/quote]
You clearly have no historical context of the Arkansas program. John McDonnell was known to develop talent...for over 35 years.
duhada wrote:
Falcon, Reina, Lassiter, Ulrey were definitely all 4:05-4:10+ american dudes that got much faster than their contemporaries when they trained there. I think the candians have a similar high school (age wise) to the US so they probably should count also. I don't know anything about the Irish system.
Hood and Consiglia both went to high school in Ontario when we still had grade 13, so they would be a year older than most of their American cohort. Hood ran 3:45 when he was 19, I think the summer before starting at Arkansas. A year later he ran 3:35.
I consider that about the same (given redshirting, HS kids being held back,...). It isn't like they are 21+ year old freshman or anything. There are schools that bring in 2+ east africans every year. Arkansas isn't one of them. If you go down Oregon's all time top performances in the 1500m there are a bunch of non american atheletes also.
Just another hoser wrote:
duhada wrote:Falcon, Reina, Lassiter, Ulrey were definitely all 4:05-4:10+ american dudes that got much faster than their contemporaries when they trained there. I think the candians have a similar high school (age wise) to the US so they probably should count also. I don't know anything about the Irish system.
Hood and Consiglia both went to high school in Ontario when we still had grade 13, so they would be a year older than most of their American cohort. Hood ran 3:45 when he was 19, I think the summer before starting at Arkansas. A year later he ran 3:35.