Why Bauhs is better than Rupp...

southerner wrote:

Donnie Diznuck wrote:

One thing that Rupp has had that Baughs has not, is an extreme amount of pressure for a long time now. It might be a little easier to run his best if he were not under such scrutiny at all times.

This may be true, but it's definitely Rupp's own fault. Rupp has a lot of talent, but hasn't been very responsible about developing it. I would include Rupps decision to take up with Salazar as another poor choice.

Rupp should have just gone to school and stayed there, it's the jumping around that gets the negative attention. That, and pretending to be world class when you're not.

Bauhs perspective on running is a refreshing contrast to Rupp and Salazar's attention whoring and excuses.

This post is filled with an absurd amount of inaccurate statements. Just about every statement is unfair or just plain wrong. I don't want to bother explaining because it probably won't penetrate your thick skull.

this is getting nowhere, everyone is saying the exact same stuff over and over. WAIT FOR THE TRIALS.

sdaferguniewmwe wrote:

...as far as I know Bauhs didn' have a former world record holder coaching him as a high schooler.

Having a former world record holder as a coach, regardless of your age or level, is no guarantee of success. How many State or National Champions has Salazar coached? One?

The list of successful coaches who haven't held world record titles is undeniably larger than the list of coaches who have world records.

the point of this message board is to speak your mind, not wait for the trials. we can say whatever we want right now and its all just for fun, but you are right about the fact that nothing will be proven until then. if its too hard for you to read the posts and wait then i suggest you shouldn't be on letsrun anymore.

Obviously he's got good coaching now at Chico, but I agree with listing it as something Rupp has a leg up on him at, as far as I know Bauhs didn' have a former world record holder coaching him as a high schooler.[/quote]

I'll chime in on this one. I can attest that the HS coach is not a record holder. Hell, I don't think he holds a family record at any distance under 50K.

wowwwwww wrote:

This post is filled with an absurd amount of inaccurate statements. Just about every statement is unfair or just plain wrong. I don't want to bother explaining because it probably won't penetrate your thick skull.

I've watched Rupp develop from high school on, I'm just as entitled to an opinion as the next guy.

Unfair? Wrong?

Don't bother with the thin-skinned fanboy braying. I've heard it all.

EastBay wrote:

Hell, I don't think he holds a family record at any distance under 50K.

he does hold the family record for best facial hair though

Wait, why wasn't the question raised: "Is Quigley better then Rupp?"

He's better than Bauhs....

Why is Bauhs better than Rupp??? I'm not sure that he is yet. Maybe in the next 6-12 months that question will sort itself out. He is still progressing and growing as a runner. The past 8 years has seen him grown by leaps and bounds. I learned early that putting any limits on him by predicting a time will not work. Heading into the state meet for the 3200 his senior year no one really considered him a factor, except for a few of us and Scott himself. He placed 2nd and surprised many. Did coaching have anything to do with that? Probably a little, but it all came down to Scott and what he was willing to do during that race. He is willing to hurt to get the job done. When that gun goes off he becomes a different person than who he is in training. So many times athletes that I coached became timid and unsure before and during a race. Not Scott, he was very confident.

Even now Scott talks about a goal that seems far above what he can achieve, but heads out there and does it. Run a fast 1/2 marathon, make the US CC team for Worlds, run the A Standard for the 10k. None of those seemed possible just a year ago, but now they are reality. Scott wanted to do it and did the training to make it happen.

Even now he is making new goals for the next several months and beyond. I'm sure that he will do whatever it takes to get to the starting line healthy and ready. Then once the gun goes off he will make it happen.

He is a fun runner to watch, just as is Rupp. They both want to run fast, not just faster than the rest of the Americans, but faster than everyone else. They are different runners with the same goal.

Fence Jumper wrote:

Wait, why wasn't the question raised: "Is Quigley better then Rupp?"

He's better than Bauhs....

Your argument is solid. Points A, B, C are particularly convincing. I would have to say the debate is over. Well said.

how about Rupp has his underwater treadmill, zero gravity bs and all of the NIKE federation behind him.... scotty runs in chico, ca for a low budget D2 school where there idea of a perk is a free t-shirt!

Rupp was has advantages over Bauhs and I cant wait to see them run head to head, because Bauhs has to be tougher because he has had to endure more. Rupp has worked hard, but a lot of things have been delivered to him on a silver platter.

I think perhaps we should rename this thread, who is a better coach at developing runners....

who says bauhs coach wasnt elite, obviously you guys dont know that he too broke that elusive mile time his junior year of college, just like scotty did. oh wait i just remembered that was 5 minutes he broke, but come on with tree trunks for legs that has elite

it's pretty sad that we are impressed that an elite athlete ran 3:59 for the mile. ....

just hanging out wrote:

how about Rupp has his underwater treadmill, zero gravity bs and all of the NIKE federation behind him.... scotty runs in chico, ca for a low budget D2 school where there idea of a perk is a free t-shirt!

Rupp was has advantages over Bauhs and I cant wait to see them run head to head, because Bauhs has to be tougher because he has had to endure more. Rupp has worked hard, but a lot of things have been delivered to him on a silver platter.

I think perhaps we should rename this thread, who is a better coach at developing runners....

Braindead blue collar romantizism.

well its impressive in the fact that he is a 10k runner and did it two weeks after world cross with no real workouts for it

his only workout before going under 4 that was sub 60 pace was two days prior, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2 at 59/60 average pacing. four days out he did mile repeats at 5k pace. before that he had only been doing strength work preparing for world xc, then resting from it, because that was his main focus, doing well at worlds and scoring for the US. he did it, came back, did some more strength work, then did a very short workout two days out at pace, then went sub 4. that is why it is impressive. I am sure he could run 3:55 or better in the coming months with more speed under his belt, and not at the end of a big mileage week as his 3:59 was.

not really

Baughs is cool.

Pre was cool.

Rupp is not cool.

I wonder if they'll ever even race. I can see Rupp as a no show for the trials, he'll be focusing on 2012... that is without the hassles of NCAA competition.

Rupp's a great runner no doubt, just doesn't have the heart to win anything big.

As for Bauhs, no one really knows yet.